Don't erect a bronze statue of this criminal just yet.
This verdict will largely bolster support for Trump's agenda regarding the wall and defunding of sanctuary cities. The public appears to be pissed about this one. Watch.
Don't erect a bronze statue of this criminal just yet.
This verdict will largely bolster support for Trump's agenda regarding the wall and defunding of sanctuary cities. The public appears to be pissed about this one. Watch.
You're right, witness two of the posts above yours.. Although the facts seem to support the verdict, facts don't matter to many folks. These paragraphs sum up why the verdict might be correct.
..Michael Cardoza, a longtime San Francisco Bay Area lawyer said the prosecutor made a mistake by asking the jury to convict Garcia Zarate of first-degree murder despite strong evidence that the bullet ricocheted around 90 feet (27 meters) before fatally striking Steinle on July 1, 2015. Cardoza said a better case could have been made to convince jurors Garcia Zarate had a “reckless disregard for human life” and convicted him of second-degree murder.
“The prosecutor got greedy,” Cardoza said. “She lost credibility when she told jurors he pointed the gun at Kate Steinle.”
Garcia declined comment afterward. Alex Bastian, a spokesman for the San Francisco district attorney’s office, said the verdict “was not the one we were hoping for” but said prosecutors respect the jury’s decision.
Prosecutors initially charged Garcia Zarate with second-degree murder, which meant they had to show jurors he had a “willful disregard for human life” when he picked up the gun. But at the end of the trial, the judge agreed to the prosecutor’s request that jurors could also consider convicting him of first-degree murder if they believed Garcia Zarate meant to kill Steinle.
Garcia Zarate’s attorneys argued that the ricochet of the fatal bullet supported an accidental shooting theory. Defense attorney Matt Gonzalez said told jurors he knows it’s difficult to believe Garcia Zarate found an object that turned out to be a weapon, which fired when he picked it up...
You're right, witness two of the posts above yours.. Although the facts seem to support the verdict, facts don't matter to many folks. These paragraphs sum up why the verdict might be correct.
..Michael Cardoza, a longtime San Francisco Bay Area lawyer said the prosecutor made a mistake by asking the jury to convict Garcia Zarate of first-degree murder despite strong evidence that the bullet ricocheted around 90 feet (27 meters) before fatally striking Steinle on July 1, 2015. Cardoza said a better case could have been made to convince jurors Garcia Zarate had a “reckless disregard for human life” and convicted him of second-degree murder.
“The prosecutor got greedy,” Cardoza said. “She lost credibility when she told jurors he pointed the gun at Kate Steinle.”
Garcia declined comment afterward. Alex Bastian, a spokesman for the San Francisco district attorney’s office, said the verdict “was not the one we were hoping for” but said prosecutors respect the jury’s decision.
Prosecutors initially charged Garcia Zarate with second-degree murder, which meant they had to show jurors he had a “willful disregard for human life” when he picked up the gun. But at the end of the trial, the judge agreed to the prosecutor’s request that jurors could also consider convicting him of first-degree murder if they believed Garcia Zarate meant to kill Steinle.
Garcia Zarate’s attorneys argued that the ricochet of the fatal bullet supported an accidental shooting theory. Defense attorney Matt Gonzalez said told jurors he knows it’s difficult to believe Garcia Zarate found an object that turned out to be a weapon, which fired when he picked it up...
It's a shame the facts didn't carry much weight in all his previous arrests. Had the facts and the law been used as they are intended to be she would still be among the living.
I go 10mph over the speed limit and I get a $300 ticket that I can pay, or lose my license, then my job, then everything I own. This POS comes here, commits felonies, gets deported, comes back, repeat, repeat x5, steals a gun, kills a young woman, and he gets a pass. UnF--inbelievable.
Now he'll get a path to citizenship and run for mayor of San Fran.
Apparently the jury felt that his multiple criminal acts and illegal entry into the U.S. had no bearing on the death of Katie Steinle. But hey...that's San Francisco for you
From what I read they were going for premeditated murder.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Now he'll get a path to citizenship and run for mayor of San Fran.
Apparently the jury felt that his multiple criminal acts and illegal entry into the U.S. had no bearing on the death of Katie Steinle. But hey...that's San Francisco for you
Since his prior convictions were for illegal entry and selling marijuana, how would that have bearing on the death of Katie Steinle?
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
California has the "three strike rule"... correct? I think there are people serving life sentences for selling weed.
Not for Federal convictions.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
But how does that have bearing on whether or not the shooting was premeditated?
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
BTW I come from the part of the state that elected Darrell Issa. For that I am deeply ashamed.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
But how does that have bearing on whether or not the shooting was premeditated?
If you are here illegally and in possession of a firearm and that firearm discharges...even if allegedly accidental, and the result of that discharge is that someone dies you are, at a minimum, guilty of negligent homicide.
Garcia Zarate was charged from the beginning with murder, and prosecutors gave the jury the option of convicting him of first-degree murder, second-degree murder or involuntary manslaughter. Jurors rejected all three.
Then the prosecutor should have sought that charge. Clearly his prior felonies were part of the case or he would not have been charged with being a felon in possession of a weapon.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
I don't expect to hear any more lefties demanding parents be tried for murder when their child finds a loaded gun and accidently kills someone.
I don't recall anyone doing that. However if your kid takes your gun to school and murders another kid, do you think that you are not culpable?
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Seems like some folks here would be happy living with a Russian or third world criminal justice system. They would change their minds the first time they ran afoul of it.
From the facts as I know them he should have been convicted of second degree murder, but our system, for all its faults, offers some protection against prosecutors' overreach. Also against prosecutor's mistakes and bad decisions as in OJ's case, in which a man almost certainly guilty of first or second murder went free because of inept prosecution and a talented defense.
Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
I saw that statement and I didn't think they could throw out an option for the lower charge like that.
Maybe with any luck, he'll get picked up by the feds and then disappear when on his way back to south of the border.
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This is a shocking verdict but I have to wonder if Donny Boy’s comments and social media presence did not contribute to it.
This verdict will largely bolster support for Trump's agenda regarding the wall and defunding of sanctuary cities. The public appears to be pissed about this one. Watch.
You're right, witness two of the posts above yours.. Although the facts seem to support the verdict, facts don't matter to many folks. These paragraphs sum up why the verdict might be correct.
..Michael Cardoza, a longtime San Francisco Bay Area lawyer said the prosecutor made a mistake by asking the jury to convict Garcia Zarate of first-degree murder despite strong evidence that the bullet ricocheted around 90 feet (27 meters) before fatally striking Steinle on July 1, 2015. Cardoza said a better case could have been made to convince jurors Garcia Zarate had a “reckless disregard for human life” and convicted him of second-degree murder.
“The prosecutor got greedy,” Cardoza said. “She lost credibility when she told jurors he pointed the gun at Kate Steinle.”
Garcia declined comment afterward. Alex Bastian, a spokesman for the San Francisco district attorney’s office, said the verdict “was not the one we were hoping for” but said prosecutors respect the jury’s decision.
Prosecutors initially charged Garcia Zarate with second-degree murder, which meant they had to show jurors he had a “willful disregard for human life” when he picked up the gun. But at the end of the trial, the judge agreed to the prosecutor’s request that jurors could also consider convicting him of first-degree murder if they believed Garcia Zarate meant to kill Steinle.
Garcia Zarate’s attorneys argued that the ricochet of the fatal bullet supported an accidental shooting theory. Defense attorney Matt Gonzalez said told jurors he knows it’s difficult to believe Garcia Zarate found an object that turned out to be a weapon, which fired when he picked it up...
https://apnews.com/02d16749a92b4b7297f6b1f359846391/Trial-focused-on-shooting-despite-spotlight-on-immigration
It's a shame the facts didn't carry much weight in all his previous arrests. Had the facts and the law been used as they are intended to be she would still be among the living.
Apparently the jury felt that his multiple criminal acts and illegal entry into the U.S. had no bearing on the death of Katie Steinle. But hey...that's San Francisco for you
Actually no. He was acquitted of manslaughter.
Maybe Sherb can chime in on the legal definition. But if this isn't manslaughter I don't know what is.
Since his prior convictions were for illegal entry and selling marijuana, how would that have bearing on the death of Katie Steinle?
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Not for Federal convictions.
Fercripesakes...he had been deported 5 times already. He was here illegally.
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Hey now....
Los Angelenos shouldn't be defending San Franciscans.
If you are here illegally and in possession of a firearm and that firearm discharges...even if allegedly accidental, and the result of that discharge is that someone dies you are, at a minimum, guilty of negligent homicide.
Jury nullification at is finest.
I don't recall anyone doing that. However if your kid takes your gun to school and murders another kid, do you think that you are not culpable?
From the facts as I know them he should have been convicted of second degree murder, but our system, for all its faults, offers some protection against prosecutors' overreach. Also against prosecutor's mistakes and bad decisions as in OJ's case, in which a man almost certainly guilty of first or second murder went free because of inept prosecution and a talented defense.
I saw that statement and I didn't think they could throw out an option for the lower charge like that.
Maybe with any luck, he'll get picked up by the feds and then disappear when on his way back to south of the border.