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BushartBushart Senior MemberPosts: 3,041 Senior Member
We all at some time have questioned authority or Gov't direction

Maybe collectively---maybe not

I wonder how much has changed since this event---where protests went wrong---I wonder how we would react today if the outcome was the same?

Have we evolved as a society in this near 50 years?

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Kent_State_Shootings

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  • EdBEdB Senior Member Posts: 3,099 Senior Member
    No, our foreign policy has not evolved, it's still one of economic hegemony and military intervention to further American business interests in the world. Why is it that we don't see the protests like Kent State against our criminal foreign policy? Millions protested the illegal invasion of Iraq (me included) and were ignored. Where is the outrage over the thousands of dead civilians in Mosul due to ISIS and the massive bombing by the U.S. led coalition?
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 3,041 Senior Member
    Kind of a double edge sword here--if you take a step back from it

    We honour (and we should) those that served and paid the price for what they believed

    But there is no ceremony for those (Like Kent State) that paid the price for their beliefs---it was definitely a movement--backed by a huge percentage of Americans

    Does it boil down to---if you die for a Gov't backed agenda--your a hero

    If you die because you believe what's going on is not right---your labelled a radical?

    I have no definitive answer
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 3,041 Senior Member
    I guess further to that train of thought..

    Is America "The Gov't"...or is it..."The People"

    Cuz if the gov't decides to go one way--and a large group of citizens disagree----are you hostage for 4 years (or less)---till change can happen
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 4,373 Senior Member
    Note that the names of the shooters were never revealed, and more significantly, the officers who commanded them never revealed or interrogated. It was NOT policy to distribute ammunition to the guard members. Some officers authorized and distributed the ammo without any announcement of such. The failure to reveal the names of these leaders tells you a lot about the power the military ultimately exercises.

    Not that it bothered me at the time. I was in rigorous training at the Noncom officers school in Ft. Benning, Ga, and blew off the loss of life, since it paled in comparison to where I was going.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 3,041 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Note that the names of the shooters were never revealed, and more significantly, the officers who commanded them never revealed or interrogated. It was NOT policy to distribute ammunition to the guard members. Some officers authorized and distributed the ammo without any announcement of such. The failure to reveal the names of these leaders tells you a lot about the power the military ultimately exercises.

    Not that it bothered me at the time. I was in rigorous training at the Noncom officers school in Ft. Benning, Ga, and blew off the loss of life, since it paled in comparison to where I was going.

    Kinda Scary huh?
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 11,690 Senior Member
    You don't have to agree with U.S. foreign policy to understand that Energy Credits are just another currency unit like like U$D, Sterling, or Bitcoin. Despite what Ed believes, should Technocracy come to pass a market in ECs soon would develop, legally or otherwise. You can't change human nature.*


    * The singular exception being European Communism, which managed to create lazy Germans turning out shoddy products.
    The GOP big tent now is the size of a pup tent, its floor splattered with guano.
  • EdBEdB Senior Member Posts: 3,099 Senior Member
    Unfortunately George you don't understand the concept of abundance wherein one cannot physically
    consume more than is available to them. There cannot be a market for something that is not scarce (energy).
  • CO NativeCO Native Senior Member Posts: 2,307 Senior Member
  • EdBEdB Senior Member Posts: 3,099 Senior Member
    The Harry potter fantasy in no way resembles the realism of Technocracy's ideas.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    Kind of a double edge sword here--if you take a step back from it

    We honour (and we should) those that served and paid the price for what they believed

    But there is no ceremony for those (Like Kent State) that paid the price for their beliefs---it was definitely a movement--backed by a huge percentage of Americans

    Does it boil down to---if you die for a Gov't backed agenda--your a hero

    If you die because you believe what's going on is not right---your labelled a radical?

    I have no definitive answer

    I don't think you will ever see a government memorialize an event where they killed their own citizens.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    I guess further to that train of thought..

    Is America "The Gov't"...or is it..."The People"

    Cuz if the gov't decides to go one way--and a large group of citizens disagree----are you hostage for 4 years (or less)---till change can happen

    It may have taken a lot of years to end the war in Vietnam, but we did end it.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Note that the names of the shooters were never revealed, and more significantly, the officers who commanded them never revealed or interrogated. It was NOT policy to distribute ammunition to the guard members. Some officers authorized and distributed the ammo without any announcement of such. The failure to reveal the names of these leaders tells you a lot about the power the military ultimately exercises.

    Not that it bothered me at the time. I was in rigorous training at the Noncom officers school in Ft. Benning, Ga, and blew off the loss of life, since it paled in comparison to where I was going.

    I think today there would be an investigation, I do not have a guess of the outcome. We didn't have the FOIA at that time.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 3,041 Senior Member
    I think today there would be an investigation, I do not have a guess of the outcome. We didn't have the FOIA at that time.

    So evolution has occurred---and the "Ed's" of the world can continue to oppose mainstream freely without persecution

    Couple jumps in recent history I guess--went from McCarthy---to Nixon (Who had John Lennon tailed for Vietnam views)---to today---where hopefully opposing views can be heard---Peacefully
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 12,285 Senior Member
    I think there is only one Ed in this world. Can't say I have ever run across anyone that thinks like he does regarding the money system, energy credits and war.
  • ricinusricinus Senior Member Posts: 6,210 Senior Member
    Ed has always been consistent in his message. I may disagree, but I admire his tenacity..

    Mike
    My new goal in life is to become an Alter Kaker...
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 6,448 Senior Member
    I think there is only one Ed in this world. Can't say I have ever run across anyone that thinks like he does regarding the money system, energy credits and war.

    Sure you have. They just didn't call it energy credits. The ideas aren't really that unusual. Today for instance, I read the the conflict between labor and immigration is created by "Capital," capital being the entity that controls the economic superstructure for its own benefit. Yes, someone, a very smart someone in fact, wrote that with a straight face.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 12,285 Senior Member
    When I run across another person in my lifetime that thinks Technocracy is a panacea for all the worlds problems I'll let you know.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 9,006 Senior Member
    EdB wrote: »
    There cannot be a market for something that is not scarce (energy).
    But isn't human nature, for some, to be greedy? Somebody will want to make that energy artificially scarce. Hold access to it in exchange for something. Sounds like exchange of currency or bartering.
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 9,006 Senior Member
    ricinus wrote: »
    Ed has always been consistent in his message. I may disagree, but I admire his tenacity..

    Mike
    I agree. I'll add that I admire his ability to have a civil discussion with those that disagree. Tough to do, because everybody gets frustrated.
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.

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