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Do they have religious rights?
http://www.lifehealthpro.com/2014/03/25/hhs-birth-control-mandate-reaches-supreme-court?eNL=5331caf3160ba00340e382b8&utm_source=LifeHealthProNewsFlash&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=LifeHealthPro_eNLs&_LID=97708860
Do they have religious rights?
http://www.lifehealthpro.com/2014/03/25/hhs-birth-control-mandate-reaches-supreme-court?eNL=5331caf3160ba00340e382b8&utm_source=LifeHealthProNewsFlash&utm_medium=eNL&utm_campaign=LifeHealthPro_eNLs&_LID=97708860
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Why is that exactly?
How about if Joe and I ran a partnership and we had 50 employees?
So I lose my freedom of religion because I work for a Catholic? Nobody is paying for morning after pills, they are paying for insurance that as part of the many things they offer, offer morning after pills. Next you will say they shouldn't give them money because they might use it for morning after pills.
Should I be able to say because I am a member of Opus Dei, I don't have to hire any Jews or as a member of a Mormon cult I don't have to hire blacks, because I still believe they are evil? Or maybe I should avoid hiring women because they might want an abortion.
By not paying for the morning after pill for you, you're employer is taking away your religious freedom? Really?
The problem with your examples is whether I'm imposing my religious beliefs on you. If I don't hire Blacks (if I'm Mormon) Jews (Opus Dei) or Gays (Arizonans), I'm imposing my religious beliefs on those groups. By not buying the Pill for my employees, am I imposing my religious beliefs on them? Is this the only way they can get contraceptives?
And again corporations are not people and they have no rights.
First, Corporations are persons and have rights. Thus sayeth the Supreme Court. Just like the ACA is the law of the land - despite being wholly unconstitutional.
Second, salary isn't fungible with benefits since I pay you directly but have to pay a third party or, if I self insure, pay for them myself. That argument doesn't wash.
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Mike
Would that work?
Moved to Montana, gonna be a dental floss tycoon.
War on women!!!
indeed.
Then we should be able to throw them in prison.
The argument that you are being forced to buy birth control doesn't wash. You are being obligated to buy insurance and insurance is being forced to provide basic women's health services. So basically you are arguing that you do not have to provide insurance. Totally different issue. Again corporations do not have all rights and obligations as individuals. You have said so yourself.
See this is why I believe we should remove all mandates. No individual mandate, no business mandate, and no mandate hospitals treat people that do not have insurance. You provide a public option, expand medicaid so that anyone can afford insurance and if people do not have insurance, they die.
Only if they are churches.
Not under the current rules as the corporation would have to pay the penalty.
Nope.
I am being forced to buy a product that provides something against my religious beliefs (hypothetically, of course). Or, I self insure (which most large companies do), in which case I'm actually paying for the pill.
Well, apparently not even the Obama Administration agrees with this as certain non-profit corporations are exempt.
The way it's going the mandates may never be followed anyway.
The latest March 31 deadline has now been rolled back again.
Maybe the rules will change...
Moved to Montana, gonna be a dental floss tycoon.
There may be no end to them rolling it back until they see some numbers that work. They're gonna have to work harder at selling this crap and fudging the numbers purty soon or..... ??
American public (especially youth) is a bit smarter now than they had anticipated. Thank you interwebs and information era.
On the plus side this gives my wife more time to sell policies since the insurance companies off the exchange have decided to follow the same enrollment period times available on the exchange.
Outside of the enrollment period all you can buy are short term policies unless you have a qualifying event between whenever the new deadline is and November 15.
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