Gun Lobbyists Assault Rifle Stolen...Beat Goes On

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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,260 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    That's not enough, can't trust anyone to not leave things out.... there should be a test too, so we know they can be trusted with responsibility

    Don't we do that for people that want to drive a car?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    interesting question

    I mean I know it's Utardville but what are the laws for storing a firearm in your vehicle in Utah?

    if it's the case that he was careless and violated a statute then will all the gunrubbers demand the laws be enforced and he be prosecuted?

    (I wouldn't hold me breath)
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    Don't we do that for people that want to drive a car?
    Quit comparing cars to guns... you guys always do that to distract from the real issue.. sheesh
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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,260 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    What is the "inevitable"?

    That I win.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    monkeydoes wrote: »
    he was careless and violated a statute then will all the gunrubbers demand the laws be enforced and he be prosecuted?
    I believe he should be held accountable, not sure what the law is.
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  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    That I win.
    I already told you that you won. Done deal.... bow out gracefully and accept your internet award.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,260 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    Quit comparing cars to guns... you guys always do that to distract from the real issue.. sheesh

    The real issue? Okay guns are deadly. This demands that people be responsible and are held accountable for the way in which the weapons are handled or stored. So yes like many things in this life that demand adult behavior and accountability, there should be a course and a 2 hour battery exam along with a background check and registration before one can own a firearm. Why would you resist that? I know your freedom is more important than the collateral damage that is caused by this continued failure to demand people take responsibility for the weapons they own.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    The real issue? Okay guns are deadly. This demands that people be responsible and are held accountable for the way in which the weapons are handled or stored. So yes like many things in this life that demand adult behavior and accountability, there should be a course and a 2 hour battery exam along with a background check and registration before one can own a firearm. Why would you resist that? I know your freedom is more important than the collateral damage that is caused by this continued failure to demand people take responsibility for the weapons they own.
    I resist nothing you suggest, this sounds dandy to me... and sounds like a fun course. I have fond memories of my Hunter Safety course to this day and would support proper training.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    swizz wrote: »
    Quit comparing cars to guns... you guys always do that to distract from the real issue.. sheesh

    so there's a line in the sand with public safety?

    btw ... you don't have a 'right' to drive around on publically funded roads with a gun
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    monkeydoes wrote: »

    btw ... you don't have a 'right' to drive around on publically funded roads with a gun
    Correct. That is more of a State governed privilege. In Colorado I enjoy this privilege.


    From Colorado State Patrol Website:

    What are Colorado's laws concerning firearms?

    "Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or unloaded, if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another's person or property
    . [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile. However, you cannot carry the weapon concealed on or about your person while transporting it into your home, business, hotel room, etc. Local jurisdictions may not enact laws that restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon. [C.R.S. 18-12-105.6] The Act permits the nationwide carrying of concealed handguns by qualified current and retired law enforcement officers and amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Pub. L. 90-618, 82 Stat. 1213) to exempt qualified current and retired law enforcement officers from state and local laws prohibiting the carry of concealed firearms."
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    wheeeeeeeeeeeee
    Don't mess with me in my big ol Jeep
    you hya?
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,972 Senior Member
    These rounds and these weapons are chosen by our military for their stopping power. Their ability to kill more efficiently and with fewer chances of leaving an enemy capable of fighting back.

    Stop being a child on this issue. There are weapons that are more powerful than others.

    Yet you make these ridiculous statements.
    Ignorance is bliss. Do you really think a 223 is a better killing round than the 308 or 30/06. Which by the way was what the military used for many years. There was a reason they went with the 223 but you got it all wrong.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    psst... he only knows that all guns are BAD (except pellet guns, those are ok)
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    a provision by law is a privilege not a right
    swizz wrote: »
    Correct. That is more of a State governed privilege. In Colorado I enjoy this privilege.


    From Colorado State Patrol Website:

    What are Colorado's laws concerning firearms?

    "Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or unloaded, if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another's person or property
    . [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile. However, you cannot carry the weapon concealed on or about your person while transporting it into your home, business, hotel room, etc. Local jurisdictions may not enact laws that restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon. [C.R.S. 18-12-105.6] The Act permits the nationwide carrying of concealed handguns by qualified current and retired law enforcement officers and amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Pub. L. 90-618, 82 Stat. 1213) to exempt qualified current and retired law enforcement officers from state and local laws prohibiting the carry of concealed firearms."
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    Understood.... as I clearly stated: "That is more of a State governed privilege. In Colorado I enjoy this privilege"
    you can read my statement that you quoted, right?
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    and understand that a priveledge is not a right
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    ... I even edited to make the word "privilege" bold in the last post so you could read it better.
    Hopefully this helps. Cheers!
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    monkeydoes wrote: »
    and understand that a priveledge is not a right
    Certainly, I know the difference and I am enjoying my privileges while driving around... very much
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    you have stated repeatedly in the past (and this is also an oft used NRA argument) that driving a car is not a right but owning a gun is ...

    this sort of constructionist argument isn't all that accurate ... especially when you get into the use, carrying and transport of a firearm across boundaries involving public safety

    even Scalia made note of this in Heller when assigning intent of the Second Amendment and home defense, etc

    to say we keep 'confusing' cars and guns isn't at all accurate although it is an expedient deflection from the central issue ... public safety ... not everyone has the luxury of living as a hermit on lands paid for by the public :-D
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    ... to further enjoy my vehicular gun-toting privilege I have a really nifty holster mounted to the center console.
    kapewww.... pew, pew, pew!
    wild wild west ****
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  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    monkeydoes wrote: »
    ...carrying and transport of a firearm across boundaries involving public safety

    Responsible gun owners check State laws pertaining to the crossing of State lines with weaponry... emphasis on "responsible".
    This is one of the legal areas where I applaud comic's suggestion of firearms classes.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    swizz wrote: »
    This is one of the legal areas where I applaud comic's suggestion of firearms classes.

    agreed

    as a kid in Southern Ill I had to take a class and get a gunowners permit complete with photograph

    the argument then was the gubbmint will be coming for all mah gubs

    30+ years and counting in waiting for that grab
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    whatever We The People decide unanimously and pass.... I can live with and be happy. I've never had a fear of Feds taking everyone's guns, that's not rational.
    Most of these discussions are not rational, just dang fun having a pillow fight
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  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    when I win the lottery I will buy an Aston Martin DB9 and put missiles and machine gubs in it ... its mah raight to clear the roads
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,972 Senior Member
    monkeydoes wrote: »
    when I win the lottery I will buy an Aston Martin DB9 and put missiles and machine gubs in it ... its mah raight to clear the roads

    You can start with the 91 freeway out here.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,560 Senior Member
    Don't use it in Colorado, the cars shoot back
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 8,053 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    A Mustang is more powerful than a Volkswagen do you really think it matters to the family which car killed their child.
    Of course not.
    Buford wrote: »
    The question is access to these guns.
    Yes.
    Buford wrote: »
    The media has to keep the melodrama going by calling a 5.56 X 45 a very high power gun.
    Here is where I have problem with your argument. You can argue kinetic energy all day long and I won't disagree with you. It is measurable. However "high-powered" is a subjective term, and you do yourself a disservice by arguing about it. You can say one firearm is more powerful than another in terms of units of measure, but you've drawn a boundary between high-powered and low-powered. That boundary is in your noggin'. There will be people who agree with you and those that don't, but you will never come to a consensus on where that boundary lies, because you are using a subjective term. By continually harping on it you are side stepping the point you mentioned (access) that you apparently feel is the heart of the issue. Why would I care about your argument on access when all you do is talk about subject terminology of technical minutiae.
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  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    I'd like to hear the minutiae as to how a .223 or 5.56 x 45 is Not a high power round

    and then want it explained to me as to why the DOD and the taxpayer thought it wise to under equip me and the rest of the USMC as well as others in the military ...

    can it be? people with yellow ribbons on their Yukons and Denalis don't actually support the troops
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,260 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Yet you make these ridiculous statements.
    Ignorance is bliss. Do you really think a 223 is a better killing round than the 308 or 30/06. Which by the way was what the military used for many years. There was a reason they went with the 223 but you got it all wrong.

    Actually it is not I who thinks this. What you miss is I was in the military and read all the discussions on why the M-16 had more stopping power than the AK-47 which was also pretty good and the whole debate regarding the switch to the 9mm and how nobody wanted to do it because it lacked the knockdown power of the .45.

    *The .223 tends to topple in the body when it strikes and destroys more flesh.

    And you were not talking .308's you were comparing it to a .22 long rifle. Which is stupid.

    From SSAM (Soldier Sailor Airman Marine)
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,972 Senior Member
    What you miss is I was in the military and read all the discussions on why the M-16 had more stopping power than the AK-47
    And you were not talking .308's you were comparing it to a .22 long rifle. Which is stupid.

    Sitting at your desk?
    I was comparing them to a .223 which is a .22 caliber, but a .22LR it is not.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.

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