Home The Lodge

Where are the Zimmerman trial updates?

2456

Replies

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Bream, are you stocked up in case he gets a innocent verdict?

    No you're not a racist. images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLGCj_iWee01X4AWYiv28k2R73owUHUXSdQ-rVZD79gOrdobH1
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    you know, 'those people'

    or in the words of non-racist all men are equal libertarian Ron Paul, 'arm yourselves the animals are coming'
  • ouzelproouzelpro Senior Member Posts: 5,361 Senior Member
    Paula Dean was set up! This wouldn't have happened with Romney.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    Paula Dean needs magic underwear.
  • ouzelproouzelpro Senior Member Posts: 5,361 Senior Member
    greenman wrote: »
    Paula Dean needs magic underwear.

    The kind that monitors blood sugar and administers insulin, and none is the wiser? She already has it.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,255 Senior Member
    You're correct Comic, I'm a realist.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    Here's your update:

    SANFORD, Fla., June 28 (Reuters) - A witness in the murder trial of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman testified on Friday that he saw Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman during a struggle that led to the unarmed black teenager's shooting death in a central Florida gated community last year.

    But Jonathan Good, a former resident at the townhouse complex, told the jury in Seminole County criminal court that he never saw Martin slam Zimmerman's head into the concrete sidewalk, undermining a key element in Zimmerman's defense.

    "I did not see that," Good told the court under questioning by a state prosecutor about the racially charged case that triggered civil rights protests and debates about the treatment of black Americans in the U.S. justice system.

    Police did not arrest Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, for 44 days. Zimmerman does not deny killing Martin but he says he did so in self-defense after he was attacked and Martin smashed his head repeatedly into the sidewalk.

    Good was the fourth former neighbor who partially witnessed the death of Martin on Feb. 26, 2012 to testify in the trial. Each has given a slightly different account, but Good is the first to state that Martin was on top during the struggle.

    Zimmerman, 29, was a neighborhood watch volunteer in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community in Sanford at the time of the killing. He has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and could face life imprisonment if convicted.

    Martin, 17, was a student at a Miami-area high school and a guest of one of the homeowners. He was returning after buying snacks at a convenience store when he was shot in the chest during a confrontation with Zimmerman.

    Several former Twin Lakes residents have testified for the prosecution that they heard and caught glimpses of the fight between Zimmerman and Martin, and heard cries for help, on a dark and rainy night near a walkway between units in the community of townhomes.

    Good said he was watching TV with his wife when he heard a noise outside and saw two people wrestling on the ground, with "a lighter-skinned man" on the bottom. He identified the other man, Martin, by his race and clothing.

    Good initially told police the person on top was pummeling the other in mixed martial arts style, but backed off that account, later saying the person on top was straddling the other man, but his arms might have been holding the other down rather than punching.

    Asked by state prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda if he saw the "person on top" grabbing the head of the lighter skinned man and slamming it into the concrete, Good replied "No."

    In opening statements, defense attorney Don West told the court "Trayvon Martin armed himself with the concrete sidewalk and used it to smash George Zimmerman's head ... That is a deadly weapon."

    Under cross-examination Good was asked why he had clarified his initial description about blows being struck. "That's what it looked like," Good said. But because it was dark outside, Good said "I can't 100 percent confirm that that was happening."

    Good also said that he was not sure who made the cries for help that several neighbors have described, although he said "the yelling sounded like it was coming from the person on the bottom."

    Three residents have told the court that they saw someone who appeared to be Zimmerman on top during the incident.

    Even though several were close enough to hear the struggle, the prosecution has highlighted the fact that none of them heard a crude death threat that Zimmerman says Martin made moments before he shot him.

    Jonathan Manalo, another former neighbor, also testified on Friday. Manalo said he grabbed a flashlight and went outside after he heard a gunshot. He used his cellphone to take pictures of Martin's body and the bloodied back of Zimmerman's head.

    Manalo said Zimmerman was breathing hard and staggering when he initially saw him but did not appear to be in shock. "He was coherent," Manalo said. "He was responding to my questions like any other person."

    Manalo said he asked Zimmerman what happened and the neighborhood watch volunteer responded, "This guy was beating me up ... I was defending myself and I shot him."

    Prosecutors say Zimmerman profiled Martin, suspecting him of being up to no good, and killed him in an act of vigilante justice. The defense says Zimmerman was doing his job as part of the neighborhood watch and simply trying to investigate something that he perceived as suspicious.

    The prosecution faces a tall order to win a conviction for second-degree murder, and under Florida law must convince all six jurors that Zimmerman acted with "ill will" or "hatred" and "an indifference to human life."

    Under Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which was approved in 2005 and has since been copied by about 30 other states, people fearing for their lives can use deadly force without having to retreat from a confrontation, even when it is possible.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 10,585 Senior Member
    What's THAT from, Steven? Slate??!??!?
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    LOL. Without a link, you can't know that's all of it.
  • GoldenladleGoldenladle Super Moderator Posts: 3,928 Senior Member

    Moved to Montana, gonna be a dental floss tycoon.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    You're correct Comic, I'm a realist.

    What if he is found guilty? Are you afraid the white people will riot?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    so what I learned is that 'boy' should just taken an **** beating from some total stranger in the dark, how dare him get the better (momentarily) of a self appointed law dog

    afterall it was after hours and he was still on street ... that boy shoulda known it was coming
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    We should call this the Nancy Grace thread.

    Whatever, all that anyone really asked for was a fair trial. Let justice be done.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    I wonder how many of the He Dawgs out there that just know Trayvon was a 'thug' because he might have been on top of Zimmerman would have just stood still as some douchetard started following them around the dark and then came after them

    But ya because Zimmerman turned out to be a **** and got his **** kicked in a fight he helped provoke that kid obviously deserved to die ... I mean just look at him you could tell he was guilty of something

    If more people got shot in the dark while walking home we'd have far more law n order
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 3,119 Senior Member
    Crazy talk going on here.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 8,996 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Crazy talk going on here.
    What's your opinion of the trial?

    I'm not sure about it based on some changed testimonials from Martin's friend and Mr. Good. Still gotta go with what's presented in the trial and not what may have happened. For instance, we still don't know who actually started the fight and why. I have my ideas, but in our justice system, my ideas don't mean jack.
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    the man with the gun is always right
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 8,996 Senior Member
    monkeydoes wrote: »
    the man with the gun is always right
    Brought to you by American Exceptionalism (a subsidiary of Koch Inc.).
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,570 Senior Member
    That gun kilt the kid.... not Zimmerman
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • bakerloobakerloo Banned Posts: 980 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    That gun kilt the kid.... not Zimmerman

    That's the usual logic here...
    **** gun!
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    bakerloo wrote: »
    That's the usual logic here...
    **** gun!

    I smell straw burning somewhere
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    monkeydoes wrote: »
    I wonder how many of the He Dawgs out there that just know Trayvon was a 'thug' because he might have been on top of Zimmerman would have just stood still as some douchetard started following them around the dark and then came after them

    But ya because Zimmerman turned out to be a **** and got his **** kicked in a fight he helped provoke that kid obviously deserved to die ... I mean just look at him you could tell he was guilty of something

    If more people got shot in the dark while walking home we'd have far more law n order

    I think the Martin family will probably have to get justice through a wrongful death suit where they can make the argument that there wouldn't have fight in the first place if it were not Zimmerman's actions. At least that is what I am getting from watching the 1st 3 seasons of Night Court.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 3,119 Senior Member
    How much of a beating do you take before you shoot? This seems to be the point the prosecution seems to be pushing. He didn't suffer enough physical injuries to justify deadly force, well that point would be exactly when?
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,564 Senior Member
    I would assume it would have to be enough to justify believing your life is endanger. Not getting punched in the nose and falling on your head. Zimmerman's claim is that Martin was bashing his head into the ground. The injuries he received do not appear to support that claim.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    How much of a beating do you take before you shoot? This seems to be the point the prosecution seems to be pushing. He didn't suffer enough physical injuries to justify deadly force, well that point would be exactly when?

    so you provoke the altercation and that gives you the right to kill the person because they got the upper hand in something you start

    how about staying the [email protected] car like you were told

    it amazes (not really) me how the personal responsibility crowd toss that out the window as soon as the story turns to the Hour of Gun show down in the mean streets
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    Zimmerman's claim is that Martin was bashing his head into the ground. The injuries he received do not appear to support that claim.

    the witnesses aren't corroborating that claim either

    but that kid was a thug ... everyone knoweds it just by lookin at 'im
  • dryfliedryflie Senior Member Posts: 1,442 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    How much of a beating do you take before you shoot? This seems to be the point the prosecution seems to be pushing. He didn't suffer enough physical injuries to justify deadly force, well that point would be exactly when?

    Well since you started the entire crapstorm by following an innocent kid out for a walk and scaring the crap out of him....you should be ready to take a beating.

    The kid was doing nothing wrong, nothing whatsoever...took a walk to a store and was returning home....what gives anyone the right to assume anything else much less follow and intimidate him?? Everyone **** about big brother spying on citizens....which generally does not end up getting anyone killed....but just imagine a non-law officer deciding someone looks suspicious with no proof at all. What would anyone do when confronted in the dark by a stranger?? Isn't it sensible to be scared and to defend yourself...for gods sake hundreds of kids are abused by strangers every day in this country, many kidnapped and murdered. I'd fight like hell....wouldn't you want your kid to do the same??

    The guy is guilty of man-slaughter at the very least.
    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 49,774 Senior Member
    it was after dark and he was outside wearing a hoodie

    those ******s are always getting away with it
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 3,119 Senior Member
    Just an opinion of the trial.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 3,119 Senior Member
    dryflie wrote: »
    Well since you started the entire crapstorm by following an innocent kid out for a walk and scaring the crap out of him....you should be ready to take a beating.
    And that got him what?
    This does not seem to be a focal point of the trial.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file
Magazine Cover

GET THE MAGAZINE Subscribe & Save

Temporary Price Reduction.

SUBSCRIBE NOW

Give a Gift   |   Subscriber Services

PREVIEW THIS MONTH'S ISSUE

GET THE NEWSLETTER Join the List and Never Miss a Thing.

Get the top Fly Fisherman stories delivered right to your inbox.

Advertisement