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  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 12,015 Senior Member

    The clowns (all of them) would rather dance around while everything burns around them.

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member

    Just a thought:

    Maybe Chuck & Co. are doing as little as possible in order to further tank the economy. You know, like Moscow Mitch did to Obama when he was first elected. ;)

    P.S. AOC is a tool.

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member

    Also, I’m totally in agreement with Steven in regards to getting rid of the things like airline emissions and minimum wage proposals. Not the time for it.

    However, no layoffs and no stock by backs for the large corporations. Full stop.

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member

    Also, the WSJ editorial page is a joke.

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 11,504 Senior Member

    Perhaps the knee-jerk posters did not bother to read this part:

    '...Republicans can quickly resolve this standoff by accepting the necessary changes to protect the public interest. Alternatively, the Senate could table the big-business bailout. Boeing, the major airlines and other companies clamoring for help simply do not need federal assistance with the same urgency as small businesses and individual workers do — particularly because the Fed in recent days has stepped in to help big companies borrow money.

    Or the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, could help Mr. McConnell do his job by passing a bill containing the necessary compromises and sending it to the Senate for approval...'

    Are terms like "necessary changes" and "necessary compromises" alien to you?

    The GOP big tent now is the size of a pup tent, its floor splattered with guano.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 4,325 Senior Member
    edited March 2020 #37

    The sides have always bickered under stress. They both have masters to serve. But to think that the Republican leadership has ordinary people in mind is a joke. Put the money in consumers hands_ first_. It will flow (not just trickle) up.

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,126 Senior Member

    Speaking of serving their masters.

    Top Dem Super PAC Rolling Out $6M In Ads Attacking Trump’s Coronavirus Response

    https://abc14news.com/2020/03/24/top-dem-super-pac-rolling-out-6m-in-ads-attacking-trumps-coronavirus-response/

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    Speaking of serving their masters.

    Top Dem Super PAC Rolling Out $6M In Ads Attacking Trump’s Coronavirus Response

    https://abc14news.com/2020/03/24/top-dem-super-pac-rolling-out-6m-in-ads-attacking-trumps-coronavirus-response/

    Good. The administration's response has been a disaster, and continues to be. The people deserve to know the truth behind the government's response to the Trumpvirus.

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 11,504 Senior Member

    The ignorance of the legislative process displayed in this thread truly is staggering.

    Offhand I can't think of any piece of serious, significant legislation that passed as presented in one chamber without debate, compromise or conference committees. Even the declaration of war against Japan had one "no" vote (by a Republican pacifist, who later abstained in the votes declaring war against Germany and Italy).

    Having the two chambers controlled by different parties, and having Senators in self isolation further complicates it. Both sides are guilty of playing politics, but it started with Mitch's bill.

    The GOP big tent now is the size of a pup tent, its floor splattered with guano.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 4,969 Senior Member

    Without the bill, the Fed doesn’t have the money to make the loans.

    Boeing is a very special case. That’s likely the only bailout.


    The Fed needs the ESF to make the loans. With the exception of Boeing, there are no other loans.


    and when all is said and done, the G will make **** good money, just like it did with TARP.

  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 12,015 Senior Member

    Yeah. Good answer Shawn. Its better to point fingers at a time like this rather than work together for solutions.

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member

    I stand by my response above.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    @EdB said:
    Never let a crisis go to waste.

    Especially if you want to give billions of dollars in tax cuts and give aways to your corporate donors.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member
    edited March 2020 #46

    @Steven said:
    By the way, if small businesses don't layoff workers, they don't have to repay the loan.

    Large businesses aren't receiving a bailout. They're getting loans as well. The difference is that they don't get loan forgiveness if they don't lay anybody off.

    The New York Times is such a POS rag.

    So in the end the working man who is suffering the most get's screwed. I say give the large businesses nothing. Since they already ballooned our deficit with the huge tax cuts they already got and used that money to buy back their stocks.

    @sherb said:
    Pay equity? Corporate board diversity? Emissions standards for airlines? Yes, I can see that the Dems are serious about helping the American people weather a recession.

    If I am going give the airlines $50 billion when I know they are going to lay off those people anyway. Why not. Maybe building cleaner engines will give a man a job.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    @ShawnC2 said:
    Also, I’m totally in agreement with Steven in regards to getting rid of the things like airline emissions and minimum wage proposals. Not the time for it.
    However, no layoffs and no stock by backs for the large corporations. Full stop.

    Mininum wage will put money in the pockets of working families instead of executive bonuses.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    I'm not sure there has ever been a time like this George. Why in the world would they add stuff like Same-day voter registration, impose quotas for race and sex on corporate boards, airlines to go “carbon-neutral” by 2025 with emissions offsets, to a bill made to get the US back from the brink. Because they knew it would stall and they knew their media comrades would spin it. They will pay for this. Put that in your book.

    why are you afraid of people voting? Extended early voting will keep the lines down at the voting booth, thus reducing the risk of passing on the virus.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member

    I totally agree, Comic. Now is not the time for that fight. The Dems should focus their efforts on getting this aid package money to those who need it.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    @Steven said:

    and when all is said and done, the G will make **** good money, just like it did with TARP.

    What the.... So now you support TARP?

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 6,278 Senior Member

    Steven always supported TARP. Its just that your priors could never acknowledge it.

  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 8,880 Senior Member

    @fishingcomic said:

    Mininum wage will put money in the pockets of working families instead of executive bonuses.

    And that money will wind up in the hands of the corporations that provide the goods and services for the little guy. At least the little guy will get some use out of it first.

    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 4,325 Senior Member
    edited March 2020 #53

    @MikeA said:
    I'm not sure there has ever been a time like this George. Why in the world would they add stuff like Same-day voter registration, impose quotas for race and sex on corporate boards, airlines to go “carbon-neutral” by 2025 with emissions offsets, to a bill made to get the US back from the brink. Because they knew it would stall and they knew their media comrades would spin it. They will pay for this. Put that in your book.

    Actually it's nothing new, and there has often been a time like this, legislatively speaking. that stuff is typical of both sides on all the major legislation going back to the beginning.

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 11,504 Senior Member
    edited March 2020 #54

    @MikeA said:
    I'm not sure there has ever been a time like this George. Why in the world would they add stuff like Same-day voter registration, impose quotas for race and sex on corporate boards, airlines to go “carbon-neutral” by 2025 with emissions offsets, to a bill made to get the US back from the brink. Because they knew it would stall and they knew their media comrades would spin it. They will pay for this. Put that in your book.

    Why in the world would Republicans call for a $500 billion slush fund with no accountability for corporations, and a ban on loans to not-for profit health providers?

    The same reason the Dems demanded stuff they know will not be in the final legislation.

    Bargaining chips.

    The GOP big tent now is the size of a pup tent, its floor splattered with guano.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 12,015 Senior Member

    So in the end the working man who is suffering the most get's screwed. I say give the large businesses nothing.

    The working man won't be doing any working at all if there are no businesses around to give someone a job.

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member

    Those corporations are just lazy, Joe. They have $1200 iPhones but didn’t save up for a rainy day?

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 4,969 Senior Member

    @fishingcomic said:

    @Steven said:

    and when all is said and done, the G will make **** good money, just like it did with TARP.

    What the.... So now you support TARP?

    Of course I supported TARP. I worked for an investment bank and I covered life insurance companies. I'm not Tea Party or a socialist/communist/progressive.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 4,969 Senior Member

    Biden characterized the Senate’s coronavirus relief bill as “a plan that let big corporations off the hook,” - WSJ

    Off the hook for what? Causing the virus? Spreading the virus?

    What is wrong with Libs?

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 1,602 Senior Member
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 12,015 Senior Member

    @ShawnC2 said:
    Those corporations are just lazy, Joe. They have $1200 iPhones but didn’t save up for a rainy day?

    Yeah...When you are poor and struggling to pay the bills it always makes sense to buy the $1200 phone (financed over a 24 month period) and pay the additional charges for data access.

    A refrigerator is a necessity. A phone is also a necessity. An iPhone X is not.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 6,278 Senior Member

    Speak for yourself, trog. the Iphone X is the double-tungsten nymph of phones.

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