Speaking of Californians

George KGeorge K Super ModeratorPosts: 10,208 Senior Member

**California Takes Revenge on Trump

People leaving the Golden State are changing the political makeup of the states they move to.**

...By moving its presidential primary from June to March 3, California will finally exert a political influence commensurate to its size. Almost 500 delegates, a fourth of the number needed to win the Democratic nomination, are at stake.

Perhaps more consequential — or at least overlooked — is what’s happening among the vast diaspora of more than 7.3 million people who have left California since 2007. They appear to be changing the political makeup of the states they’ve moved to, perhaps enough to alter the Electoral College map in favor of Democrats.

With nearly 40 million people, California is still gaining population — barely. But stratospheric home prices and unbearable rental costs have created a reverse “Grapes of Wrath,” forcing those who are not rich to flee to states with much lower costs of living.

The question is: Are they bringing California values — fierce defense of the environment, tolerance of immigrants and a multiracial society, insistence on universal health care — with them? It could be just demographic churn. But if you look at the changing politics of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona, all fast-growing states packed with new arrivals from California, the answer is yes. Texas may not be far behind...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/opinion/california-revenge-trump.html

Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.

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  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    Sweet! We'll be socialists just in time for me to retire!!

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 4,554 Senior Member

    @George K said:
    **California Takes Revenge on Trump

    People leaving the Golden State are changing the political makeup of the states they move to.**

    ...By moving its presidential primary from June to March 3, California will finally exert a political influence commensurate to its size. Almost 500 delegates, a fourth of the number needed to win the Democratic nomination, are at stake.

    Perhaps more consequential — or at least overlooked — is what’s happening among the vast diaspora of more than 7.3 million people who have left California since 2007. They appear to be changing the political makeup of the states they’ve moved to, perhaps enough to alter the Electoral College map in favor of Democrats.

    With nearly 40 million people, California is still gaining population — barely. But stratospheric home prices and unbearable rental costs have created a reverse “Grapes of Wrath,” forcing those who are not rich to flee to states with much lower costs of living.

    The question is: Are they bringing California values — fierce defense of the environment, tolerance of immigrants and a multiracial society, insistence on universal health care — with them? It could be just demographic churn. But if you look at the changing politics of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona, all fast-growing states packed with new arrivals from California, the answer is yes. Texas may not be far behind...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/opinion/california-revenge-trump.html

    This is a pipe dream, a variant of the pundit fallacy. This is NOT true.

  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 5,418 Senior Member

    Proving Kalifornians are a blight on society.

    Looks at lib KA wife. Shakes head. What have I done.

  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,991 Senior Member

    @George K said:
    **California Takes Revenge on Trump

    People leaving the Golden State are changing the political makeup of the states they move to.**

    The question is: Are they bringing California values — fierce defense of the environment, tolerance of immigrants and a multiracial society, insistence on universal health care — with them? It could be just demographic churn. But if you look at the changing politics of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona, all fast-growing states packed with new arrivals from California, the answer is yes. Texas may not be far behind...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/opinion/california-revenge-trump.html

    I can assure you most of them including myself will leave those **** poor policies behind and never think of them again.

    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 25,001 Senior Member

    You know for all their staunch defense of the environment Californians are the worst litterers on the planet.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 25,001 Senior Member

    @Buford said:

    @George K said:
    **California Takes Revenge on Trump

    People leaving the Golden State are changing the political makeup of the states they move to.**

    The question is: Are they bringing California values — fierce defense of the environment, tolerance of immigrants and a multiracial society, insistence on universal health care — with them? It could be just demographic churn. But if you look at the changing politics of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona, all fast-growing states packed with new arrivals from California, the answer is yes. Texas may not be far behind...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/opinion/california-revenge-trump.html

    I can assure you most of them including myself will leave those **** poor policies behind and never think of them again.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • GreenMtBoy2GreenMtBoy2 Posts: 121 Senior Member

    “The question is: Are they bringing California values — fierce defense of the environment, tolerance of immigrants and a multiracial society, insistence on universal health care — with them? ”

    Defending the environment? Tolerating immigrants and accepting a multi racial society? The horror!

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 249 Senior Member
    edited February 15 #9

    Comic, worse than Utah litterbugs?

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 25,001 Senior Member

    That campsite we fish at would have diapers on the ground.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • bushart1bushart1 Posts: 311 Senior Member

    Stumbled on this one-----hadta :)

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 25,001 Senior Member

    If I could afford to do it right, I would consider moving back. All my comic friends are there.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,915 Senior Member

    NY Times = Wishful thinking.

    Was at a cousin's wedding on the East Coast this weekend. A bunch of liberal Jews asking me what happened with the Iowa Caucus.

    My answer: The Republican Caucus come off without a hitch.

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    @fishingcomic said:
    If I could afford to do it right, I would consider moving back. All my comic friends are there.

    What is the main problem? Housing or just the cost of living?

  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 5,418 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:

    @fishingcomic said:
    If I could afford to do it right, I would consider moving back. All my comic friends are there.

    What is the main problem? Housing or just the cost of living?

    Yes! Everything is more there. We left in 2007 thankfully (note only my wife and daughter are from there, I just did time there). Housing is ridiculous. Property taxes are nuts. Gas is much higher. Labor is much higher. The whole place is crazy.

    Like Sherb said, yes there are nice parts. But unless you've got money coming out your orifices its not worth it

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 25,001 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:

    @fishingcomic said:
    If I could afford to do it right, I would consider moving back. All my comic friends are there.

    What is the main problem? Housing or just the cost of living?

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan

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