Democratic primary open thread

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  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 240 Senior Member

    Yet another constituency voting against their interests.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,902 Senior Member

    The China issue is seen here to be just as much about defense as it is trade.

    Something else Trump seems to be understand.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,902 Senior Member

    So, the NYT has endorsed two candidates for the Dem nominations.

    The “idealist” candidate is Warren. The “realist” candidate is Klobuchar.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,902 Senior Member

    Hillary not feeling the Bern...

    In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Hillary Clinton slammed Sen. Bernie Sanders, her main competitor in the 2016 Democratic primary, as a political hack who supports sexist attacks against his rivals.

    In a new Hulu docuseries premiering March , Clinton unloads on Sanders: “He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done.”

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    Ha, I just came in to post this. Steven beat me to it. Tough to beat this one for sheer Chutzpah.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/hillary-clinton-bernie-nobody-likes-him-baloney-endorsement-criticism.html

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 4,486 Senior Member

    Lights are coming on in peoples heads like no other time in history.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,951 Senior Member

    @sherb said:
    Ha, I just came in to post this. Steven beat me to it. Tough to beat this one for sheer Chutzpah.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/hillary-clinton-bernie-nobody-likes-him-baloney-endorsement-criticism.html

    I completely agree with this assessment and yet still a better choice than what we currently have in the Whitehouse. He is not going to win the nomination anyway, so it is moot.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,951 Senior Member

    How is constantly complaining that the DNC cheated him bending over backwards to support Hillary?

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    @fishingcomic said:

    @sherb said:
    Ha, I just came in to post this. Steven beat me to it. Tough to beat this one for sheer Chutzpah.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/hillary-clinton-bernie-nobody-likes-him-baloney-endorsement-criticism.html

    I completely agree with this assessment and yet still a better choice than what we currently have in the Whitehouse. He is not going to win the nomination anyway, so it is moot.

    I agree, he's not going to win. But why say this? Is there some reason for her saying it beyond utter malice?

    I just thought it was rather amusing for Hillary to unironically refer to someone else as a "career politician."

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    @fishingcomic said:

    How is constantly complaining that the DNC cheated him bending over backwards to support Hillary?

    The DNC did cheat him, over and over, for the very good reason that he wasn't going to win. and you can't very well advance party goals if you can't win. But its not like Sanders was lying about that.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,951 Senior Member

    @sherb said:

    @fishingcomic said:

    @sherb said:
    Ha, I just came in to post this. Steven beat me to it. Tough to beat this one for sheer Chutzpah.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/hillary-clinton-bernie-nobody-likes-him-baloney-endorsement-criticism.html

    I completely agree with this assessment and yet still a better choice than what we currently have in the Whitehouse. He is not going to win the nomination anyway, so it is moot.

    I agree, he's not going to win. But why say this? Is there some reason for her saying it beyond utter malice?

    I just thought it was rather amusing for Hillary to unironically refer to someone else as a "career politician."

    I think it is odd that anyone on this forum or any other forum would be surprised that somebody can't resist expressing an opinion.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 24,951 Senior Member
    edited January 23 #224

    @sherb said:

    @fishingcomic said:

    How is constantly complaining that the DNC cheated him bending over backwards to support Hillary?

    The DNC did cheat him, over and over, for the very good reason that he wasn't going to win. and you can't very well advance party goals if you can't win. But its not like Sanders was lying about that.

    I find it difficult to believe that the party elite, those that raise the money that do the organizing, and put their lives into a political party should be impartial as to represents their party in an important national election. But at the end of the day he couldn't get the votes to win. They were there for him to win and he couldn't get it done.

    Those very same people were in her corner when Obama won.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 10,202 Senior Member

    What amazes me is that there still are people who will defend Hillary Clinton.

    What amazes me even more is that there still are people who will defend Donald Trump.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,902 Senior Member

    Yang's asked about dropping by the gym tomorrow during class. No guarantee though.

    He's a big MMA fan and his kids train BJJ. He'd be with a buddy of his who's helping him out here. The buddy is a black belt who'll be teaching the class.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    That's right, you're in Iowa now. How fortuitous.

  • ShawnC2ShawnC2 Posts: 240 Senior Member

    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

  • GreenMtBoy2GreenMtBoy2 Posts: 118 Senior Member

    Steven, is Sleepy Joe doing as well in corn country as David Brooks thinks?

    Joe Biden Is Stronger Than You Think
    Here’s why he is still winning.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/opinion/joe-biden-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Excerpt:

    "It was yet another epic failure of political punditry. Go back to the early months of Joe Biden’s presidential campaign and read what the consultants and commentators were saying about him: His support is just name recognition; he’ll fade! He’s too old! He’s running a zombie campaign! The party has moved left and he’s out of touch! He voted for the crime bill!

    Almost everybody was bearish on Joe. But now look where we are, weeks from actual voting. If the polls are to be believed, Biden will win Iowa, he’ll come in second in New Hampshire, he will easily win Nevada, he will dominate in South Carolina. He’s now tied for the lead in California and he’s way ahead in Texas.

    I don’t know if he’ll win the nomination (both he and Bernie Sanders look strong), but this is not where a lot of people six months ago thought we’d be.

    It’s the 947th consecutive sign that we in the coastal chattering classes have not cured our insularity problem. It’s the 947th case in which we see that every second you spend on Twitter detracts from your knowledge of American politics, and that the only cure to this insularity disease is constant travel and interviewing, close attention to state and local data and raw abject humility about the fact that the attitudes and academic degrees that you think make you clever are actually the attitudes and academic degrees that separate you from the real texture of American life."

    I like this observation:

    "Understand your party’s core challenge. All around the world parties on the left are losing because they have lost touch with the working class. These parties think they can reconnect with that class by swinging even further left. But Jeremy Corbyn in Britain and Bernie Sanders here are a doctoral student’s idea of a working-class candidate, not an actual working person’s idea of one."

  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 5,416 Senior Member

    @ShawnC2 said:
    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

    @ShawnC2 said:
    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

    Nope, he's already got Pete's on the rear.

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 10,202 Senior Member

    @jbilly said:

    @ShawnC2 said:
    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

    @ShawnC2 said:
    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

    Nope, he's already got Pete's on the rear.

    One small typo and I would have deleted your post. >:)

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • bushart1bushart1 Posts: 311 Senior Member

    @George K said:

    @jbilly said:

    @ShawnC2 said:
    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

    @ShawnC2 said:
    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

    Nope, he's already got Pete's on the rear.

    One small typo and I would have deleted your post. >:)

    Maybe JBills a bit self centred and he has worn out the "i" key on his tablet :)

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,902 Senior Member
    edited January 27 #234

    @ShawnC2 said:
    You gonna put the “Yang Gang” sticker on the bumper or rear window?

    He didn't show. Turns out his buddy is not only a black belt but a world champion (masters). He came and did a great seminar.

    YangGang 2020 Rash Guards for sale, but I didn't buy one.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,902 Senior Member

    @GreenMtBoy2 said:
    Steven, is Sleepy Joe doing as well in corn country as David Brooks thinks?

    Joe Biden Is Stronger Than You Think
    Here’s why he is still winning.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/opinion/joe-biden-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    Excerpt:

    "It was yet another epic failure of political punditry. Go back to the early months of Joe Biden’s presidential campaign and read what the consultants and commentators were saying about him: His support is just name recognition; he’ll fade! He’s too old! He’s running a zombie campaign! The party has moved left and he’s out of touch! He voted for the crime bill!

    Almost everybody was bearish on Joe. But now look where we are, weeks from actual voting. If the polls are to be believed, Biden will win Iowa, he’ll come in second in New Hampshire, he will easily win Nevada, he will dominate in South Carolina. He’s now tied for the lead in California and he’s way ahead in Texas.

    I don’t know if he’ll win the nomination (both he and Bernie Sanders look strong), but this is not where a lot of people six months ago thought we’d be.

    It’s the 947th consecutive sign that we in the coastal chattering classes have not cured our insularity problem. It’s the 947th case in which we see that every second you spend on Twitter detracts from your knowledge of American politics, and that the only cure to this insularity disease is constant travel and interviewing, close attention to state and local data and raw abject humility about the fact that the attitudes and academic degrees that you think make you clever are actually the attitudes and academic degrees that separate you from the real texture of American life."

    I like this observation:

    "Understand your party’s core challenge. All around the world parties on the left are losing because they have lost touch with the working class. These parties think they can reconnect with that class by swinging even further left. But Jeremy Corbyn in Britain and Bernie Sanders here are a doctoral student’s idea of a working-class candidate, not an actual working person’s idea of one."

    I don't know. Sanders seems to be surging according to the news reports. Biden in second. Buttigeig and Warren falling off even though Warren got the nod from the Des Moines Register (which is not unimportant here). Klobuchar could really be the surprise.

  • CO NativeCO Native Senior Member Posts: 1,659 Senior Member

    @sherb said:
    I am loathe to make political predictions. At this point I am only willing to say that neither Sanders nor Warren will be president. Other than that, I'm not willing to make predictions.

    Crap, now Sanders or Warren are going to win

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,902 Senior Member

    So....while national polls still favor Biden for the nomination, the odds makers are now favoring Sanders for the win.

    Imagine...A non-religious, Jewish socialist wins the Democratic nomination for President. Somewhere, my grandfathers are smiling.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    There is a theory under which Sanders could conceivably win, and its plausible. I still think its unlikely. it all has to do with the reason Trump won: negative polarization. The theory holds that the dems will be united to defeat Trump, even if it means voting for Sanders. I'm skeptical.

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 4,486 Senior Member

    So, if faced with Trump V Sanders, do you bite the bullet and do the right thing?

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 4,510 Senior Member

    by "right thing" do you mean vote for Trump?

    No.

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