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  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 11,653 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    @George

    "Now, before we go to questions, I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu who said, and I quote, “You didn’t charge the president because of the OLC opinion.” That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report, and as I said at the opening,** we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime.**
    ~Mueller

    I guess I missed him outlining multiple felony charges.

    Perhaps you wanted to miss those parts, in which he explained what the President did and then said OLC policy prevented him from reaching a determination that the President had committed a crime, because Justice Dept policy is that a sitting President cannot be indicted for any Federal offense.

    You also apparently missed the several times that, when asked if anyone other than the President had committed these acts, would that person be indicted, , he answered yes.

    Did you also miss the part where he affirmed that a President could be indicted for acts committed while in office once he or she leaves office, assuming the statute of limitations had not expired?

    The GOP big tent now is the size of a pup tent, its floor splattered with guano.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,221 Senior Member

    George, reread what you quoted from me. I guess we'll find out in 2024 about them charges.

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 11,653 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    George, reread what you quoted from me. I guess we'll find out in 2024 about them charges.

    Go back and read the report.

    OTOH, if he is re:elected the statute of limitations will have passed for most, if not all the felonies we know of by 2024.

    The GOP big tent now is the size of a pup tent, its floor splattered with guano.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 7,027 Senior Member

    Nothing new in Mueller’s testimony that wasn’t in the report. Still watched it though.

  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 7,027 Senior Member

    I gave this the thumbs up. It is a logical thought, but I don’t wholly agree. About a month ago I fully got on the impeachment train. Here’s why:

    1) It’s the right thing to do. Mueller laid out a roadmap to impeachment in his report. To fail to act on that would abdicate the House’s responsibility.

    2) To hell with the politics and 2020. The House must do their duty in light of the evidence the report has brought to light.

    2a) Sometimes, though rarely, doing the right thing is the correct thing.

    2b) I’m sick and tired of the Dems running scared and governing via polls. Grow a pair and do your job!

    3) Of course the Senate won’t convict. I doubt that all Democrats would even vote to convict. Joe Manchin, anyone?

    3a) Let Mitch and company stand and cast their vote for all to see!

  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 8,977 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    So the investigation was never about Trump/Russia Collusion all along?

    The letter mentions the trump campaign, so if leads showed up that tied trump to Russia, then that is where Mueller would go in the investigation.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html

    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    Yet with all the golfing and the constant attempts to take down this president coming from every direction. Here we are. Thriving like never before.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/7/26/8931569/gdp-q2-trump-tax-failed?fbclid=IwAR2sg4uzOhucUhJiXsRsgboWwbYVMIlDyY8FEyNN2Bg88klk5JyeEBaK2ZU

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 3,041 Senior Member

    Ok---common sense opinion here--no link--sorry?

    Mueller noted and is documented and even here that foreign entities are involved in our elections

    So what do you do??

    Entrench tribalism as deep as you can

    So when your side wins with outside help---you defend it at all costs..cuz well--you won

    Old saying from someone with a few miles on his hide---divide and conquer is not a new theory

    how bout a few more...

    United we stand--divided we fall

    we either play as a team---or we will die as individuals

    I truly believe Trump took advantage of an opportunity---his moral standard stops at winning

    Fool me once--shame on you
    Fool me twice--shame on me

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 3,041 Senior Member

    @Bushart said:
    Ok---common sense opinion here--no link--sorry?

    Mueller noted and is documented and even here that foreign entities are involved in our elections

    So what do you do??

    Entrench tribalism as deep as you can

    So when your side wins with outside help---you defend it at all costs..cuz well--you won

    Old saying from someone with a few miles on his hide---divide and conquer is not a new theory

    how bout a few more...

    United we stand--divided we fall

    we either play as a team---or we will die as individuals

    I truly believe Trump took advantage of an opportunity---his moral standard stops at winning

    Fool me once--shame on you
    Fool me twice--shame on me

    Was a BOGO Sale at the cliche store :)

    What happens when you try to type and not incinerate your chicken on the BBQ at the same time

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 3,041 Senior Member

    Mueller was unable to offer up the collusion present with a nice bow---but by Trump's own admission he is willing to take info or help from "Varying" sources

    Why would I call the FBI...I don't need to call the FBI

    So several times he's linked himself

    So many free countries across the globe cite political interference in their elections

    The question shouldn't be "if"---it should be "how" and "why"

    Back to Tribalism---Politics has never been a clean sport from it's inception

    In my time I've seen many times candidates vilified---but not so much the voters---this seems a more recent development

    And I think some of the outside interference comes in the form of misinformation and forms of propaganda widening the divide between left and right

    So you get armed men going into pizza joints to save children Hillary has stored in non-existent basements

    Or van boy mailing bombs to CNN or Bobby DeNiro

    Soon it won't be left or right---it'll be

    1. Venezuelan-esque Socialist Snowflakes Needing to go back from whence they came
      or

    2. Rightwad Neo Knotsy baby jailers

    Not much middle ground

    Why?
    De-stabilize?----if your busy watching and fighting each other you may miss developments elsewhere?

    Much to ponder on the why

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,221 Senior Member

    The only candidate who we all know for A FACT paid for (and tried to hide it) Russian information against the opposing candidate,,, was Hillary and the DNC. But I don't see you guys concerned about it. Why is that??

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #47

    You are nothing if not consistent. While of course not factual.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,221 Senior Member

    The Russians did the most effective job possible at tearing this country apart. Putin will go down in history for this. He turned the country against itself by creating this conspiracy. The sitting POTUS did all he could to stop it too. Cut it out, he said. It's hard to fathom why that didn't stop the interference. Let the McCarthy trials begin!

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    Hahahahahahahahaha

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #54

    So what laws were broken doing that opposition research? Whose computers were hacked? Was the dossier ever used by the Clinton campaign? Why are you ignoring the fact that Mueller said he could prosecute the President once out of office?

    Oh and the dossier is only a central document in the minds of Trump apologists and right wing nutbags.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,221 Senior Member

    “Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,“ wrote Ellen Weintraub, chairwoman of the FEC. “This is not a novel concept.“

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,221 Senior Member

    Don't just look at the links. Read some of them. Those aren't right wing sites. The Dossier was a disinformation ploy planted by Russians to do exactly what it did. And the DNC paid for it.

  • creekyguycreekyguy Posts: 361 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #57

    In fact Mike, the dossier was created knowing that it would eventually be seen as a hoax designed to hurt Trump and then would be blamed on Democrats. Its now not reasonable that it was meant to hurt Trump, since it was so easily discredited. You've been taken in by a double hoax.

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,221 Senior Member

    If only Obama hadn't been "more flexible" more than likely none of this would be happening.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 26,541 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    “Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,“ wrote Ellen Weintraub, chairwoman of the FEC. “This is not a novel concept.“

    First of all those are opinions with little basis in fact. The FISA warrants were never based solely on that stupid dossier you keep clinging to. It was also first paid for by a Republican Opposition Research Committee and was given to the FBI by McCain. There was nothing illegal in that reseach and no computers were hacked to the benefit of the Clinton campaign.

    Muellers testimony makes it clear that Trump was not honest in his answers, the obstruction he engaged in was to prevent the investigation from being able to prove conspiracy. He also makes it clear that Trump would most definitely be prosecuted once he is out of office.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 6,221 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #60

    Nobody knows who hacked her computers. We all know she shouldn't have had them on a private server where they were easy targets. We all know she also deleted subpoenaed emails. But that's ok, she's a swamp donkey.

    Here's what else we know.
    Not a single American – whether with the Trump campaign or otherwise – was charged or indicted on the core question of whether there was any conspiracy or coordination with Russia over the election. No Americans were charged or even accused of being controlled by or working at the behest of the Russian government. None of the key White House aides at the center of the controversy who testified for hours and hours – including Donald Trump, Jr. or Jared Kushner – were charged with any crimes of any kind, not even perjury, obstruction of justice or lying to Congress.

    These facts are fatal to the conspiracy theorists who have drowned U.S. discourse for almost three years with a dangerous and distracting fixation on a fictitious espionage thriller involved unhinged claims of sexual and financial blackmail, nefarious infiltration of the U.S. Government by familiar foreign villains, and election cheating that empowered an illegitimate President. They got the exact prosecutor and investigation that they wanted, yet he could not establish that any of this happened and, in many cases, established that it did not.

    From a lefty news source none the less. https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 7,027 Senior Member

    Where did you copy & paste that from, Mike?
    At any rate, its hilarious.

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