The bombs - legal question Sherb

CO Native

So this is going to get interesting when it goes to court because none of these so-called bombs had anyway to detonate from what I've read. So basically he sent them some pipe, a battery, some powder and a clock. None of these are illegal to send through the mail.
Just like sending a gun through the mail is illegal, but if I remove the firing mechanism, then it's not longer a firearm and can be sent in two separate packages legally.

So Sherb, did he break the law? Hmmmmm?

tim_s

you can't mail gunpowder?

Buffco

@tim_s said:
you can't mail gunpowder?

You can, but it requires hazardous shipping classification and it's expensive af.

CO Native

I buy it in bulk all the time and it's shipped to me. Powder isn't bad, but primers are big $$$$ to ship.
Just pinged my buddy that places our bulk orders - $28 for a hazmat designation regardless of size. Primers are the same, but the savings aren't as good, so we buy local.

breamfisher

@CO Native said:
I buy it in bulk all the time and it's shipped to me. Powder isn't bad, but primers are big $$$$ to ship.
Just pinged my buddy that places our bulk orders - $28 for a hazmat designation regardless of size. Primers are the same, but the savings aren't as good, so we buy local.

Is that via UPS/Fedex or US mail? Because US mail considers gunpowders an "explosive material" and won't mail it.

tim_s

yes, you CAN with proper designation and certification.......but in this instance, it was clearly not the case

and yes it has to be UPS or FedEx

MikeA

What if he says he was just sending them a clock.

breamfisher

@tim_s said:
yes, you CAN with proper designation and certification.......but in this instance, it was clearly not the case

and yes it has to be UPS or FedEx

These bombs were mailed. US Postal Service. What FedEx and UPS allow is immaterial to this case. In this case, it's illegal to ship gunpowder, any gunpowder, via the US Postal Service.

sherb

The FBI says that the bombs are NOT hoax devices.

But, no need to ask me what the government's theory is. Read for yourself.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5022026/Attachment-1-1.pdf

Shawn C.

I'm not reading Sherb's link because I question the original post. They are going to throw the book at this guy. Bigly. Terrorism, anyone?

Shawn C.

Ok, just read it. Where are the terrorism charges?

jbilly

A rubber room is his future

fishingcomic

@CO Native said:
So this is going to get interesting when it goes to court because none of these so-called bombs had anyway to detonate from what I've read. So basically he sent them some pipe, a battery, some powder and a clock. None of these are illegal to send through the mail.
Just like sending a gun through the mail is illegal, but if I remove the firing mechanism, then it's not longer a firearm and can be sent in two separate packages legally.

So Sherb, did he break the law? Hmmmmm?

Are we seriously taking this guys side?

creekyguy

Any serious intentional act to terrorize is terrorism. The recipients would think it was a bomb on opening and not know it wasn't set to go off. Remember the guy who mailed people a harmless powder after the anthrax mailings? Visit him in jail I think.

CO Native

@fishingcomic said:

Are we seriously taking this guys side?

NO, not a chance.
But how can you call something that won't go off a bomb? If I point a shotgun barrel at you with nothing else attached, then it's not felony assault, it's a piece of tubing.

Everything I read so far says these can't go off, so are they a bomb or bomb components that are just questionable to send through the mail?