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George KGeorge K Super ModeratorPosts: 9,213 Senior Member

Germany is controlled by Russia.

So sez Great Leader.

I had lunch today at the Officer's Club at Ft. Meyer, VA. TVs in the bar had Fox news on, and the some of the broadcasters had trouble not laughing. My host, a retired rear admiral didn't even try to suppress a giggle.

Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.

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  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 2,823 Senior Member

    On the one hand, Trump's request that NATO members contribute their fair share seems reasonable--until you realize that no country (including the US) spends 4% of GDP on defense.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,709 Senior Member

    We're at 3.5%. Just rounding.

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member

    How much of that 3.5% relates to Europe?

    One of the few NATO countries to meet or exceed the percentage goal is Greece, which never has sent any troops or supplies to Iraq or Afghanistan in support of the United States. Greek spending is aimed at Turkey.

    Denmark, OTOH has spent blood and treasure in our defense in those places, but has not met its spending goal of 2%. Which is the more steadfast ally?

    Trump is such an effing ignorant sod it makes me want to cry at times.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member

    @George K said:
    Germany is controlled by Russia.

    So sez Great Leader.

    I had lunch today at the Officer's Club at Ft. Meyer, VA. TVs in the bar had Fox news on, and the some of the broadcasters had trouble not laughing. My host, a retired rear admiral didn't even try to suppress a giggle.

    EDIT - In the interest of full disclosure, it wasn't just some admiral and me having a three martini tête-à-tête. I'm part of a group of retired State and Commerce Economic/Commercial and Trade Promotion/International Exhibition officers who meet bi-monthly to keep in touch and update ourselves on each others' travels, families and age-related decline. :) One of us is a Rear Admiral (R) in the Navy Reserves, so the Ft. Meyer O Club makes for a convenient and budget-friendly meeting place.

    OTOOH, I did have lunch twice with Prince Charles. Just Chuck and me, and 400 or so of our most intimate friends. (400 each time :) )

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member

    Try harder, Rodney.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member

    I like it. A nice short and pithy post.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 9,920 Senior Member

    When no country pays up, Trump gets us out of NATO.

  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 4,900 Senior Member

    @Buffco said:
    When no country pays up, Trump gets us out of NATO.

    How about the UN instead

  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 9,920 Senior Member

    If they don't pay their fair share, they're fired.

  • magallowaymagalloway Senior Member Posts: 939 Senior Member

    Not five minutes ago, I was looking at the news, and the first headline that I saw was, "Trump presses falsehoods against NATO, Germany." I posted about this sort of writing within the past ten days--Why can't they just come out and say, "The sumbirch is lying in his teeth again!"? Truth is truth, and as far as I know, it's the ultimate defense against defamation suits and any news organization worth its salt has a legal department just sitting around, waiting for such an incident. Why won't they call a spade a spade instead of a 'tool, entrenching?'

    Jim

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 22,456 Senior Member

    @sherb said:
    On the one hand, Trump's request that NATO members contribute their fair share seems reasonable--until you realize that no country (including the US) spends 4% of GDP on defense.

    How many Europeans would be comfortable with Germany expanding their military?

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member

    @jbilly said:

    @Buffco said:
    When no country pays up, Trump gets us out of NATO.

    How about the UN instead

    When we leave NATO which non-US troops will be with us after the next 9/11? When we leave the U.N. who will join us in sanctioning rogue regimes?

    Think twice laddies, and be careful what you wish for.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 776 Senior Member

    When Trump meets his handler-Putin-in a few days I am sure he will receive a lot of praise for weakening the western alliance.

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 3,217 Senior Member

    @Green Mt Boy said:
    When Trump meets his handler-Putin-in a few days I am sure he will receive a lot of praise for weakening the western alliance.

    Ah yes,,, the evil genius is about to spring the trap.... His goal of total world domination is almost complete!

  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 776 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:

    @Green Mt Boy said:
    When Trump meets his handler-Putin-in a few days I am sure he will receive a lot of praise for weakening the western alliance.

    Ah yes,,, the evil genius is about to spring the trap.... His goal of total world domination is almost complete!

    Putin Has Already Won
    Trump’s blowup at the NATO summit is exactly what Russia hoped would happen.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/11/putin-has-already-won-218968

    What Jonathan Chait Gets Right About Trump and Russia
    Thirty years of contacts with Russia are hard to dismiss as a series of disconnected events.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/10/trump-russia-jonathan-chait-218966

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 3,217 Senior Member

    Donald Trump may have used typically emotive – if premeditated – language from the outset at the Nato summit in Brussels to lambast Germany for its willingness to build a gas pipeline, but the US president’s view that this will make Europe particularly dependent on Russian gas is widely shared by European politicians, thinktanks and energy specialists, including some in Berlin.

    No country is more angry about the pipeline than Ukraine, an ally Trump is supposedly poised to abandon when he meets the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, in Helsinki on Monday.

    Ukraine stands to lose billions of much needed dollars if Russia can transfer its gas transmissions to Europe across the Baltic Sea, away from a pipeline running across Ukrainian territory.

    This week the Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, said: “This is not a commercial project – it is not economical or profitable – it is absolutely a political project. There is no point, from the economic point of view, creating this project. This is absolutely a geopolitical project.”

    By contrast the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has tried to maintain that the construction of Nord Stream 2 pipeline is a common sense economic project, with no political consequence. For many, her refusal to see the geopolitical implications of making Europe so dependent on Russian energy shows the reach that , the majority shareholder in the project, has into Germany. The presence of the former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder on its board and his friendship with Putin seems only to symbolise the triumph of Russian interests.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/germany-and-russia-gas-links-trump-questions-europe-nord-stream2

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 2,823 Senior Member

    I liked the Chait article, but I think this is a better take:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/10/trump-russia-jonathan-chait-218966

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 3,217 Senior Member
    edited July 12 #20

    So I gotta ask. If Germany's deal with Russia is counter to NATO’s purpose of protecting Europe from Russian expansionism. And Trump Called them on it. How does that make Putin Trumps handler?

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 2,823 Senior Member
    edited July 12 #21

    @fishingcomic said:

    @sherb said:
    On the one hand, Trump's request that NATO members contribute their fair share seems reasonable--until you realize that no country (including the US) spends 4% of GDP on defense.

    How many Europeans would be comfortable with Germany expanding their military?

    That's a fair question. Certainly that has been a factor in re-arming Japan. But during the cold war Germany had 500,000 men in uniform to take on the USSR, so I don't know that its out of the question.

    The thing is, postwar Europe was rebuilt in our image. Germany, France, etc, aren't what they once were. At the time, our foreign policy establishment thought that the best way to avoid any further ruinous European wars was to pour money into rebuilding Western Europe and establishing democratic institutions there, and it seems to have worked. Can you imagine France and Germany going to war today?

  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 776 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    So I gotta ask. If Germany's deal with Russia is counter to NATO’s purpose of protecting Europe from Russian expansionism. And Trump Called them on it. How does that make Putin Trumps handler?

    Mike, truth be told, I was trolling a bit with my initial post. I actually agree with the notions that some of the NATO allies need to spend more on defense and that Germany's purchasing of large quantities of energy from Russia is potentially detrimental from a NATO/US national security standpoint. However, I don't like Trump's style on these issues one bit. Too bombastic. Beyond that, I do have this nagging concern about Trump and Putin/Russia. There is a history there that is fishy.

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member

    Who remembers the Multilateral Force Debate?

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,709 Senior Member

    Time and time again we've read about how Trump says or tweets something so out there, so totally bizarre, so difficult to comprehend that he must be either crazy or uninformed.

    And then we read a day later that there are a whole bunch of serious people that may not agree with his style, but understand where he's coming from and think he has a point.

    Sure, it would be better if he said, "Germany's oil deal with Russia makes Germany dependent on our common enemy and weakens the Ukraine," rather than "Germany is controlled by Russia" but that's a combination of boorishness and bombast. It's not a sign of stupidity or crazy. He's very much neither.

  • creekyguycreekyguy Posts: 197 Senior Member

    So Trump is just acting as John Bolton's sock puppet?

    The Bad Cop routine can be very helpful in moving someone to compromise with the Good Cop. But when will the Good Cop show up?

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,213 Senior Member

    Not when insulting Teresa may, his host.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 776 Senior Member

    @creekyguy said:
    So Trump is just acting as John Bolton's sock puppet?

    No, he is just acting as Putin's sock puppet.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,709 Senior Member

    Given past history, we'll probably find out he didn't.

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