Now We Know Why Canada is Considered a Threat to Our National Security

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  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,271 Senior Member

    @Bushart said:
    Idiots ...Really?
    Why because we want our farmers to make a living wage and survive

    We want our steel workers to make a living wage and survive.

    And not go bankrupt with a cutthroat race to the bottom ---where the family farm is gone and now the farmer is an employee of a corporation and a tenant on what used to be his land

    Honestly? You're going to play "save the family farm to an American?"

    Better get some more info on farm subsidies in US
    https://thoughtco.com/us-farm-subsidies-3325162

    I already admitted this, well knowing what we do with regards to farm subsidies. But stop the "holier than thou" act. You're not.

    This is now a business negotiation.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,271 Senior Member

    Btw, I've told this joke here before. I originally heard it from an ex-farmer who started a crop insurance company.

    Why are dead farmers buried only 6" under? So even dead, they can get a hand out.

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    @Steven said:

    @Bushart said:
    Idiots ...Really?
    Why because we want our farmers to make a living wage and survive

    We want our steel workers to make a living wage and survive.

    Take it up with The Chinese Then---at least try to get a few things correct

    And not go bankrupt with a cutthroat race to the bottom ---where the family farm is gone and now the farmer is an employee of a corporation and a tenant on what used to be his land

    Honestly? You're going to play "save the family farm to an American?"

    Better get some more info on farm subsidies in US
    https://thoughtco.com/us-farm-subsidies-3325162

    I already admitted this, well knowing what we do with regards to farm subsidies. But stop the "holier than thou" act. You're not.

    This is now a business negotiation.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,271 Senior Member

    Take it up with The Chinese Then---at least try to get a few things correct

    Every little bit helps. Save our steelworkers!

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 8,809 Senior Member

    Thanks.

    The glass house comment and yours crossed paths in electronic hyperspace.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 7,697 Senior Member

    @George K said:
    @Steven said:

    Remember, you gave us Bieber and Celine Dion.

    True, but k.d. lang, Oscar Peterson, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Diana Krall, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Glenn Gould, The McGarrigle sisters, Hank Snow, Maynard Ferguson and others are fair compensation.

    Maynard Ferguson alone makes up for both of them.

    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • saltydancindavesaltydancindave Senior Member Posts: 2,357 Senior Member

    Since the Caps won the Stanley Cup & Ovi the Smythe, could be the Canadian hockey player invasion is a threat:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Capitals_players

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,704 Senior Member

    @Bushart said:
    Idiots ...Really?
    Why because we want our farmers to make a living wage and survive
    And not go bankrupt with a cutthroat race to the bottom---where the family farm is gone and now the farmer is an employee of a corporation and a tenant on what used to be his land

    Better get some more info on farm subsidies in US
    https://thoughtco.com/us-farm-subsidies-3325162

    In Steven's world only robber barons are entitled to a living wage.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,704 Senior Member

    @Steven said:

    @Bushart said:
    Idiots ...Really?
    Why because we want our farmers to make a living wage and survive

    We want our steel workers to make a living wage and survive.

    And not go bankrupt with a cutthroat race to the bottom ---where the family farm is gone and now the farmer is an employee of a corporation and a tenant on what used to be his land

    Honestly? You're going to play "save the family farm to an American?"

    Better get some more info on farm subsidies in US
    https://thoughtco.com/us-farm-subsidies-3325162

    I already admitted this, well knowing what we do with regards to farm subsidies. But stop the "holier than thou" act. You're not.

    This is now a business negotiation.

    Michelle Bachman loves hers.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member
    edited June 9 #41

    Well a reputation is growing with your prez who came to power without the majority of votes
    And it's not a stretch to think he wants to be in the Big 3 of world kings

    Putin removes anyone opposing
    Xi just signed up for the long haul

    Now Trump who is quickly alienating historic allies and praising authoritarians like Putin/ Xi /King of Saudi Arabia---even praise for Kim of NK
    Just this weekend campaigning in favour of allowing Putin back into the G8---who was kicked out for annexing Crimea
    Trump saying---"Well that was a while ago"
    Is he forgiving Al-Qaeda for 911?---that was a while ago

    Anyway---turning your back on the world stage after you have signed a commitment does get remembered

    so far
    Paris Climate
    Iran Nuclear
    NAFTA

    Soon time to seriously try and save your democracy--and that ain't left wing spin

    Think Rob Reiner--hits it on the head

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=HpQkcMN09tQ

  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member

    Rob Reiner reprising his role as meathead.

    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 7,697 Senior Member

    @Buford said:

    Rob Reiner reprising his role as meathead.

    You failed to pay attention to the show. A large part of the show was morality lessons in the form of poking fun at Archie and people who think like him.

    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    @Buford said:
    Rob Reiner reprising his role as meathead.

    The battle cry of the very misinformed and misdirected

    I'm sorry society has arrived at this point where tribal allegiances has outweighed the path to a better world---remember freedom---it's almost gone---pay attention!

    Time to think for yourself before it's too late----seriously

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    The dairy is a red herring Trump continues to throw out

    Retaliation is a direct result of tariffs on steel and alum---contrary to NAFTA
    and the insulting part is they reached and used security threat as a bogus reason

    And again US farmers receive direct subsidies---so if it's called a subsidy or supply mgmt---it's still a subsidy

    Recent estimates are showing huge job losses on both sides of the border
    US chamber of commerce estimates 1.8 million job losses in US alone if Auto gets thrown into tariff

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 2,162 Senior Member

    Well, I don't think its a red herring, exactly. Obviously its a sore spot. I don't know that its worth a trade war with our largest trading partner, but once again Trump manages to stumble into the soft underbelly and rip it out.

  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 679 Senior Member
    edited June 11 #48

    Some time ago I did some legal work for a Quebec agri-business that built an egg farm in northern VT. it is true that the Beckies regulate the economics of their ag sector big time. Each producer is given a production quota in exchange for getting artificially high prices. The client I worked for happened to also have a permit to import eggs, so they built an egg farm in VT in order to export eggs back to itself in Quebec.

    Same thing is happening with maple syrup. Demand is up for maple syrup as the rest of the world gets more prosperous. If one plays one's cards right serious money can be made producing syrup. The Beckies, who are the world's largest producers (VT is 2nd) have a strategic stockpile--if they over produce they stock pile to keep the price up. If they under-produce they can release supply from the stockpile. They basically maintain an artificially high, but stable price. US producers actually benefit, because they can produce as much as they can produce and enjoy the benefit of the high, Canadian set price. A lot of Canadian producers come to VT, buy up sugar woods and produce here too.

    Anyway, the question I have is whether the Canadian national and/or provincial governments subsidize their steel and aluminum producers. If not, it seems unfair to impose tariffs. If on the other hand they do, then c'mon, that ain't fair.

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    I am unaware of any steel/Alum subsidies

    And remember these tariffs are also on The EU and Mexico----where's their supply mgmt issue
    Just an excuse

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    @sherb said:
    Well, I don't think its a red herring, exactly. Obviously its a sore spot. I don't know that its worth a trade war with our largest trading partner, but once again Trump manages to stumble into the soft underbelly and rip it out.

    NAFTA is still in place
    Bringing up supply mgmt should happen in negotiations--not tariffs
    Every country has a sacred cow in trade deals---it's give and take
    The US has theirs--we have ours

    Kanye should have told Trump who buys the majority of US exports before this ended up here

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 2,162 Senior Member

    I don't know what you're talking about. In America, farmers are red-blooded capitalists, not welfare commandos like those socialist dairy farmers Du Nord.

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    @sherb said:
    I don't know what you're talking about. In America, farmers are red-blooded capitalists, not welfare commandos like those socialist dairy farmers Du Nord.

    Check--got it
    https://realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-equal-73-percent-of-producer-returns-says-new-report/

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member
    edited June 11 #53

    GMB

    We have a large Maple syrup producer nearby---quite impressive the new technology running in the deep bush

    Oh and---US maple syrup is on the list of tariffs coming up
    Hey---not my fault

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 2,162 Senior Member

    @Bushart said:

    @sherb said:
    I don't know what you're talking about. In America, farmers are red-blooded capitalists, not welfare commandos like those socialist dairy farmers Du Nord.

    Check--got it
    https://realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-equal-73-percent-of-producer-returns-says-new-report/

    I kid. Half my family works in agriculture. :)

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    And finally
    How does Navarro have a job?

    And Trump insulting an "Allied" leader like he did his campaign opponents---not too classy

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    OK another finally

    Today---Robert DeNiro was in Toronto---he apologized to Canadians for the "idiotic" ways of his president------stay tuned---think ya have not heard the end of that one

    And Trump really is the great uniter---cuz Canadians of all stripes---far right--far left and everyone in between are united against this unprovoked attack
    Just watched a local commentator---says that Trump could not have united the country more had he sailed 5 frigates down the St Lawrence

    Now they're sayin there's a movement to not buy American---I'll hold em off as long as I can---it's only cuz You guys are like bros
    Maybe get Mueller to work faster

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    @sherb said:

    @Bushart said:

    @sherb said:
    I don't know what you're talking about. In America, farmers are red-blooded capitalists, not welfare commandos like those socialist dairy farmers Du Nord.

    Check--got it
    https://realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-equal-73-percent-of-producer-returns-says-new-report/

    I kid. Half my family works in agriculture. :)

    I know Brother

  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,601 Senior Member

    @sherb said:

    I kid. Half my family works in agriculture. :)

    Wait a minute! You told me that DoD was the biggest welfare gambit. I think we (I mean, me and my ilk) may have competition!

    I don't know a darn thing about economics or trade so I can't otherwise participate.

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    @Shawn C. said:

    @sherb said:

    I kid. Half my family works in agriculture. :)

    Wait a minute! You told me that DoD was the biggest welfare gambit. I think we (I mean, me and my ilk) may have competition!

    I don't know a darn thing about economics or trade so I can't otherwise participate.

    RU kiddin me
    with those qualifications you could be Prez

  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,601 Senior Member

    Ha, ha!

    Willful ignorance and disregard of facts is the new political currency. What a time to be alive!

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    @Shawn C. said:
    Ha, ha!

    Willful ignorance and disregard of facts is the new political currency. What a time to be alive!

    Still a big You-betcha
    The US Still has a trade Surplus with Canada---some folks in the US may believe that's a good thing

    Did Trump study economics at one of his own universities?

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