No discussion of the school shooting in Florida?

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  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 2,602 Senior Member
    An American company used to pay me lots of money to troubleshoot their problems.....

    So if I had a "Burst" or broken pipe integral to production----you learn to prioritize---1st thing---fix the break

    AKA---do the logical thing to keep kids safe---put your arms around them---or keep harm at arms length

    Troubleshoot why it happened and fix it after it's up and running
  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 5,181 Senior Member
    Not saying it can't help, but they were not in favor.

    I live in the same school district and am very close to Columbine High School (kids might go there, great academic program) were unfortunately the "what to do" about it for first res ponders was created largely after it happened
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,988 Senior Member
    Poor parenting? Like letting your son own an AR-15?

    No.

    Like teaching your child whats right and wrong. You know...morals.
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,805 Senior Member
    Not necessarily do-able because... cost. Folks won't want to pay the money in taxes, or others will say the money could be better spend for other school uses.

    I personally feel that making schools harder to get into is a great idea. But I lack the faith that our taxpayers or others concerned actually have the political will do do it. There are folks who have proposed this over the years, and it's been shot down because... cost. Some people also don't like the aesthetics of such a thing, and think it'll make schools like prisons.

    OTOH, if children truly are precious, shouldn't we guard them like a precious asset? But it costs too much. And it looks ugly.

    Bingo.

    A close relative of mine is an elected member of a school board operating more than fifty schools spanning urban, suburban and some rural areas and with a wide span of socioeconomic demographics. Most of the voters care less about educational standards, school safety, facilities or anything else aside from not raising school taxes.


    Also - One of the kids from Parkland was on one of the morning shows today. He pointed out that 20 years after Columbine the school's classrooms could not be locked from the inside. Probably a budget issue as well.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 2,602 Senior Member
    Maybe someone should start a Go-Fund me page

    Maybe try and raise say----fifty bucks

    Run down to Home depot and buy a barrel bolt/door

    It would literally be the least they could do
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,570 Senior Member
    No.

    Like teaching your child whats right and wrong. You know...morals.

    One of those morals is only a guy who is concerned about the size of his genitals has to be armed like green friggin beret.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 3,709 Senior Member
    So why were they told to wait? I'm not asking you, specifically, but I have to wonder....

    I don't know, honestly. Garbled communications, fog of war, could be anything, really.

    Did you see the Sheriff's interview with Jake Tapper (thank God for people like Jake tapper). I don't think the Sheriff will survive, and if he does, I imagine the voters will throw him out.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 3,709 Senior Member
    President bone spurs weighs in:

    https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/968155353912369152

    Give me a break.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 6,735 Senior Member
    Fat **** couldn’t run 30 feet even if he did have the guts to do it.

    The school safety enhancements are DOA. Too many people would rather not pay taxes. Same with any mental health reform.

    To those who think arming teachers is a good idea, have you asked a teacher what they think?
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 3,709 Senior Member
    If this is true, its definitely a fog of war type situation. No way to know. The lawyers are involved now.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/news/375640-florida-deputy-thought-shooting-was-outside-school-lawyer?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

    Here's what I know: I hope it was worth it to the Sheriff to save his **** by throwing that deputy to the wolves. Trust me, his troops won't soon forget that, and even if they think that guy a coward, I promise the way this has been handled has left a bad taste in their mouth. Its not going to save the sheriff, and the effect on morale will be devastating.

    Also, Broward county owns a Lamborghini, probably from a drug seizure. I think maybe they should sell it and send some Sgt's and LT's to active shooter training.
  • WetdogWetdog Senior Member Posts: 5,149 Senior Member
    The word out (I didn't read the earlier page) that the "cop" thought the shots were coming from outside, the three that came next thought the same thing. It would be loud and determining the location with all the echos inside would be hard. Possibly this is true, maybe not. All I know is that people sure want to jump to conclusions. I did about the first cop, but that may have been a mistake. Maybe he was covering his ****, the point is we don't know.
    I find the assault on free thought disturbing,
    I find the willingness to give it up frightening.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,570 Senior Member
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    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,570 Senior Member
    i-would-run-into-a-school-during-shooting-evenifldidnt-have-31169336.png
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 2,602 Senior Member

    @saltydancindave said:

    @Bushart said:
    OK..Your either a lunatic or a Genius......Give us the true hint

    Seems any intellectual prowess from a continued Arab jihad against Israel doesn't stand up to US school shootings, but then again this "serve the Pope or die" megalomaniacal compulsive-obsession to even own Einstein with pseudoscience is about as hilarious as the supreme swastika up Uranus court dictates of the Federal KKK Lynching churchstate of hate in reverence of Islam-Arab flying carpet airplane kamikaze terrorists, whom are now on a religiously as holy as Allah, Mohammud & a flying flaming chariot for all intents & purposes from the second coming thru 9/11 where if it wasn't a plane, but a missile or controlled demolition to keep it of Christiananality pedophile mentality as immaculate conception for the 21st century art.

    K...Got it

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 3,709 Senior Member

    There's been a development.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-fdle-officer-20180904-story.html

    It answers one of the biggest questions I had. Why did the OTHER deputies not go in?

  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,582 Senior Member

    Wow. Well, that explains the "who" of who told the deputies to wait. Now the question is "why."

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,805 Senior Member

    Quick synopsis please, the paper's web site is blocked in Europe "temporarily".

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,582 Senior Member

    Peterson (the Broward Deputy who was the school resource officer) told other Broward SO Deputies to set up a perimeter and not approach within 500 ft. of the building. These are all the wrong things to do in an active shooter situation: you go in and deal with the problem.

    Coral Springs PD were on a different network, didn't get the instruction, and DID rush in.

    From the article:
    “If you’re a responding Broward Sheriff’s deputy, and you have the deputy that’s on campus, who’s there in the best position, telling you what to do — i.e. lockdown intersections, they’re going to do what the guy who’s on campus is telling them to do,” said Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, chairman of the commission. “Coral Springs didn’t hear that direction. So Coral Springs is coming right in. Why are they coming right in? Because they weren’t hearing this nonsense direction about locking down intersections.”

  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,805 Senior Member

    Thanks.

    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 6,735 Senior Member

    Yikes. That is bad.

  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,582 Senior Member

    Oh my. That is something. Really something.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 3,709 Senior Member

    I don't even want to think about how much Broward county is going to pay out on that one.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 3,709 Senior Member
  • creekyguycreekyguy Posts: 298 Senior Member
    edited June 5 #326

    I'm conflicted. Some people (a lot) freeze in such a situation, and its just their nature. Really. OTOH, if you take that kind of job, you take on a responsibility. If you don't think you can handle it, get another job (you think those Mall jokers on the Segways are going to take a bullet for you?}.The guy is charged with lying about the event, which would be pretty bad if true.
    The odor of CYA politics hovers around these charges. I bet it doesn't go to trial.

    I do want you guys on the Lodge to know that I would willingly take a cyberbullet for you, assuming it didn't hurt.

  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,988 Senior Member
    edited June 5 #327

    Peterson, then a Broward deputy, was on duty as the school resource officer during the February 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School but never went inside while bullets were flying.

    Yeah...I wouldn't have went inside either with bullets flying around.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,570 Senior Member

    Kind of kills that whole, "if someone were carrying heat...," argument.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • CO NativeCO Native Senior Member Posts: 1,486 Senior Member

    @fishingcomic said:
    Kind of kills that whole, "if someone were carrying heat...," argument.

    No, is doesn't. That's one person (note I didn't say Man).

    I do feel sorry for all LEO's though. You're damned if you do your job good and your damned if you don't do it.

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