One Good Thing About Trump--Seriously

Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior MemberPosts: 909 Senior Member
His son Donald, Jr., likes to hunt and urged his dad to nominate Montana Ryan Zinke as Interior Secretary. Zinke resigned as a delegate to the GOP convention because the party's platform calls for a transfer of federal wilderness land to the states.

“The federal government needs to do a much better job of managing our resources, but the sale or transfer of our land is an extreme proposal, and I won’t tolerate it,” Mr. Zinke said at a June congressional hearing."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-jr-played-a-key-role-in-interior-pick-1481844976
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  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 7,914 Senior Member
    That is good if Zinke can fight off clowns like Cruz.

    Trump Jr has the image problem of the big game hunter who is a trophy guy. "Hey. Look at me. I killed an elephant from this land rover." Not a guy who is about the outdoors experience and conservation.
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

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  • GoldenladleGoldenladle Super Moderator Posts: 3,852 Senior Member
    You know Stinky Zinke says he's not for the transfer is public land to the states, but he does have that narcissistic thing going. I don't trust him at all.


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  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    I want him to lift the moratorium on mining claim patents. I will be dancing in the streets if that happens. Probably won't though.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,947 Senior Member
    Trump is a hunter? Yeah if high fence ranches and canned safaris count

    He's a rich guy that pays to shoot ****


    Big difference....he'll still be able to pay to play when the GOP sells off public land, locks us out and poisons the rest of the land and water

    Could have been worse, but not jumping for joybeither
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  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 6,568 Senior Member
    tim_s wrote: »
    Trump is a hunter? Yeah if high fence ranches and canned safaris count

    He's a rich guy that pays to shoot ****


    Big difference....he'll still be able to pay to play when the GOP sells off public land, locks us out and poisons the rest of the land and water

    Could have been worse, but not jumping for joybeither

    Not Trump but one of his sons, either Uday or Qusay is a Ted Nugent type self-styled big-game hunter. But if the means meets the ends then I'll take this one. And yes, a private land sell-off if one of my greatest fears so it is good to hear the new Interior Secretary values our public lands.
  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,947 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    Not Trump but one of his sons, either Uday or Qusay is a Ted Nugent type self-styled big-game hunter. But if the means meets the ends then I'll take this one. And yes, a private land sell-off if one of my greatest fears so it is good to hear the new Interior Secretary values our public lands.

    It's don jr

    Again he's a rich guy who pays to shoot things

    He's not a hunter
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  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 3,632 Senior Member
    tim_s wrote: »
    It's don jr

    Again he's a rich guy who pays to shoot things

    He's not a hunter

    You guys are getting good with this Fake news stuff.
    Have you seen this outrage!!! He's killing all the Triceratops for God's sake!
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    Don't blame Don Jr, it was the gun's fault.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,297 Senior Member
    His son Donald, Jr., likes to hunt and urged his dad to nominate Montana Ryan Zinke as Interior Secretary. Zinke resigned as a delegate to the GOP convention because the party's platform calls for a transfer of federal wilderness land to the states.

    “The federal government needs to do a much better job of managing our resources, but the sale or transfer of our land is an extreme proposal, and I won’t tolerate it,” Mr. Zinke said at a June congressional hearing."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-jr-played-a-key-role-in-interior-pick-1481844976

    However Zinke does not have a good record himself on that issue and Donald Jr is a trophy hunter.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,689 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »

    I can't vouch for this story in its entirety, but what it says about elephant tails and the need for culling generally is true in the countries I knew in the 1990s, South Africa, Zimbabwe and Botswana. High fees paid by mostly foreign hunters/shooters to cull sick or surplus animals funded conservation and anti-poaching efforts.

    The way they shoot these animals compares to hunting in the ordinary American sense in the same way that a British driven shoot compares to ordinary American upland game hunting - two entirely different things.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,190 Senior Member
    George K wrote: »

    The way they shoot these animals compares to hunting in the ordinary American sense in the same way that a British driven shoot compares to ordinary American upland game hunting - two entirely different things.

    Like fly fishing versus nymphing?

    [/waiting....]
  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,947 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »



    exactly


    rich guy who shoots ****......but to call him a 'hunter' is a joke - to think this administration is going to somehow care about the average joe hunting the weekends on public land is a stretch; to think because donny jr shoots **** whilst staying at a 5-star lodge inside a high fence is going to help steer this admin towards cleaner air, cleaner water, continued access to public land not spoiled by mining and drilling, they're high.....
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  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,947 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Like fly fishing versus nymphing?

    [/waiting....]



    kind of like they find the game, which lives in a preserve more than likely, they carry your gun, they put you in position and you shoot off shooting sticks.......it makes you a well heeled shooter who can afford to buy the hunt and who can pull the trigger


    doesn't make you a hunter per se, just a guy who can afford to pay someone to do the work so you can shoot things.......
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  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,190 Senior Member
    Assuming Jr. wasn't lying to Forbes (which is obviously the big caveat) back in 2012, seems he and his brother grew up doing real hunting...not that it matters in the big scheme of things as long as whatever he does do leads him to the right side of the issues.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 3,632 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Assuming Jr. wasn't lying to Forbes (which is obviously the big caveat) back in 2012, seems he and his brother grew up doing real hunting...not that it matters in the big scheme of things as long as whatever he does do leads him to the right side of the issues.

    The article doesn't fit the narrative that Trump and his kin are the spawn of Satan so it won't matter what it says.
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,689 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Assuming Jr. wasn't lying to Forbes (which is obviously the big caveat) back in 2012, seems he and his brother grew up doing real hunting...not that it matters in the big scheme of things as long as whatever he does do leads him to the right side of the issues.

    I have nothing against trophy hunters funding conservation and anti-poaching activities. The animals need to be culled anyway so it's a win-win. But it ain't "hunting" in the way most Americans understand the term.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,190 Senior Member
    Understood. However, I think bow shooting deer clearly does, which he claims to have done as a young man. Again, assuming he's just not making this up.
  • CO NativeCO Native Senior Member Posts: 1,433 Senior Member
    Tim, have you ever hunted with him? If not, quit blowing BS. Also, we are ALL trophy hunters. None of us walk past a huge feeding trout to catch a much smaller one. We all want the biggest fish in the stream, or largest rack on the critter we're hunting. Just because he can afford to do exotic hunts doesn't make him bad. Hell, I'd do 'em in a heartbeat if I had the money.
  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,947 Senior Member
    gary

    do you think for one second he could get it done on his own?

    could he go into the adirondaks, or the UP or northern maine and successfully hunt deer on his own, sans guide?

    do you think he could go out and set your goose spread and successfully hunt it on his own?


    do you honestly think this admin is going to do the woods, the waters, the air, the resource itself or our (as average citizens) access to it a favor? and do you think that little silver spoon donny jr pretending to be a hunter is going to help in those regards?

    i have no problem with trophy hunting.....i DO have a problem with guys who pay big $$$ to go sit in a heated box inside a high fence to shoot farm raised animals calling themselves a hunter. It's not the exotics I have a huge issue with, it's the fact that he's full of ****......have you read his posts on the hunting forums he's tried to campaign on the past year? he's full of it just like the old man......the guy who can afford to pay to shoot wherever he wants is somehow going to be good for the little guy hunting public land (that most of the cabinet appointees want to sell off to the highest bidder?).....****

    this admin is going to set those who love the outdoors back 20-30 years (if we're that lucky)......


    i don't need to go out on a friday night with bill clinton to know he's a horn dog, and i don't need to pretend hunt with donny jr to know he's full of it.......and i don't need any more evidence to know no one is this administration to be gives a **** about my middle class **** or my kids future, no matter how much pandering his "i shop at bass pro and have a glock, too" kid does.....
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  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,947 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Understood. However, I think bow shooting deer clearly does, which he claims to have done as a young man. Again, assuming he's just not making this up.



    he's been showing up on weird random hunting forums for about a year now, trying to 'ingratiate himself to the little people' - he's been called on more than once that i've seen for being full of dung......he likes to use poor grammar and show off his glock from what i've seen lol
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  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    moveon.org just reported that Don Jr was the man who killed Harambe.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,689 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    moveon.org just reported that Don Jr was the man who killed Harambe.

    If it was on the internet it must be true.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,936 Senior Member
    Washington • President-elect Donald Trump's choice to head the Interior Department, Montana GOP Rep. Ryan Zinke, stood up against his party's efforts to sell off public lands earlier this year, though environmental groups remain concerned about his support of energy development and logging on federal acreage.

    Zinke has agreed to accept the post overseeing 500 million acres of public lands in the United States and nearly 2 billion acres of the outer continental shelf. In June, he voted against a bill that would have sold off 2 million federal acres to state ownership, cutting against the grain of many Republicans in the West, including Utah, who have pushed to take control of federal lands, arguing states are better suited to manage their own backyards.

    "I'm starting to wonder how many times I have to tell these guys in leadership I'm not going to allow Montana's public lands to be sold or given away," Zinke said at the time of the land-transfer vote. "Two million acres is a lot, even in Montana. That's the Flathead National Forest, poof, gone. Lolo National Forest, gone. We use our land for hunting, fishing, hiking and to create jobs. Our outdoor economy is a billion-dollar economic engine for the state that creates jobs. The federal government needs to do a much better job of managing our resources, but the sale or transfer of our land is an extreme proposal, and I won't tolerate it."

    Zinke also supported funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund, which allows the government to buy up parcels in critical areas. The fund was reauthorized despite the best efforts of Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rob Bishop, R-Utah, to block it.

    http://www.sltrib.com/home/4711383-155/trumps-choice-to-head-interior-opposed


    Sounds like a good pick to me.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 3,190 Senior Member
    Terrible pick because the man who supported him isn't a real hunter.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 3,632 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    moveon.org just reported that Don Jr was the man who killed Harambe.

    Yea, but Harambe was in a fenced area, and Jr used a bi-pod, so this proves nothing.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    He threw a child in there to bait him. That's crossing the line.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,521 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    moveon.org just reported that Don Jr was the man who killed Harambe.
    The epitome of high fence hunting. And the kid? Bait? That only further shows how he violates the fair chase ethics of North American Game Management.
  • HextallHextall Senior Member Posts: 9,520 Senior Member
    A couple months ago, deadspin tracked down the forums that DJTjr posts on, and one of them was the theflyfishingforum.com. For a brief moment, I had in my heart of hearts that DJTjr also posted on here, and I giddy trying to think which poster would have brought the most joy after revealing he was DTjr... and then I realized it was me.

    http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/that-idiot-on-your-hunting-message-board-might-be-donal-1786882492

    It looks like he's deleted all his profiles though.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    Probably fishes with strike indicators too. The nerve.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.

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