Paul Ryan

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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    Three words, RIGHT TO WORK. The teeth of the unions have been pulled by you Free Marketers. But you watch, they are coming back.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    Wetdog wrote: »
    My comments about unions have no resemblance to anything you seem to get from it. I wasn't even talking about "unions." I was responding to another persons comments, I brought up the military for a point, but I guess not the one you think I was making.

    All I have to say is that no one forces you to be in a union. No jackbooted thugs are going to come to your door. I've worked in places where there was a union, in others there were none, some people were in them, some were not. My wife, forty years in the school system, at each school some were in the union fewer were not. There were a number of instances where those that didn't belong were abused by the district because they had no protection. True, some unions have made bonehead decisions, but "no protection" will not benefit everyone forever.

    You have the freedom NOT to join, but what about the "Freedom" to join or form a union? Can't really do that in this State anymore. Is freedom for just one side, or should both have the right to choose for themselves?

    You are forced to pay for a lot, you are forced to pay for the environmental degradation going on in this State against your will, now please don't take this wrong, but You'll probably vote for Sean Duffy next year and whoever your State reps are. Who can cause more permanent damage, unions or getting rid of the right to ban sandmining at the local level, a certain stealing of local power, with incredibly bad implications for the citizen, reps and dems a like. Removing environmental regs one by on.e If you are satisfied with the trade offs, I guess I waste my words. Are unions more dangerous to the State than the new law allowing unlimited funding by corporations in elections. Are unions more dangerous to your income than the brain drain that is flooding across our borders and families that don't want to have their kids in our schools. Don't need a license anymore, one year studying coaching and you can teach h.s. math. Didn't they just get rid of the civil service exam? wonder why, no one wants to do those jobs anymore, the qualified people have nearly all left for Minnesota where the State is booming. You know what wisconsin is going to become, Mississippi, our schools are going down hill with the cuts and they had to give a little back because parents in the districts were not pleased and that could cost a lot of republican jobs in the State house.

    You and I are forced to pay for this promised utopia, and all you see is more failure, go next door and see how it's supposed to work, where it is working for most, unlike here.



    edit. 500 new lost jobs at Ministry healthcare, that takes away the 500 in jobs "created" over the last couple months. It wasn't because of the nurses union, but of thoughtless corporate greed. They expanded all over hoping to compete for patients, there was no need for them and they failed. So over the Walker administration, I bet those 500 jobs were once applauded in the job creation stats, so with the loss I guess the playing field has flipped..a 1000 person job loss statistically.

    It was you who stated we need unions for balance. My response to that was my opinion of unions and I don't believe we need them for any sort of perceived balance.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    Three words, RIGHT TO WORK. The teeth of the unions have been pulled by you Free Marketers. But you watch, they are coming back.

    Why should I have to PAY dues to work? As I stated before...If the Unions are so wonderful let them sell everyone on the benefit of belonging to the Union. They won't be making a come back. If anything they'll keep declining.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    You shouldn't but then you shouldn't get the same wages and benefits of those that do pay. You get half.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • ricinusricinus Senior Member Posts: 6,214 Senior Member
    Joe K. wrote: »
    Why should I have to PAY dues to work? As I stated before...If the Unions are so wonderful let them sell everyone on the benefit of belonging to the Union. They won't be making a come back. If anything they'll keep declining.

    Why would think you should be able to work at a job whose wages and benefits have been negotiated by a union and not pay dues. It seems you're being a bit greedy or selfish here.

    Mike
    My new goal in life is to become an Alter Kaker...
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 6,565 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »

    It's not evil Republicans or the Koch's. It's economics.

    Steven, you are forgetting one important factor. Many worker bees themselves are now anti-union. Imagine that, people that DIRECTLY BENEFIT from their union, whether they pay dues or not, are the same ones who verbally bash unions and vote for politicians who vow to weaken unions!
    Who do they think fights for the preservation of their good pay and benefits?
  • Shawn,

    89% of worker bees aren't in unions. So nobody is fighting for them.
    Instead they're looking at the cost of unions to them whether that be through higher prices or higher taxes.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    Do you think that might be a factor in the fact that all of the increases in productivity are going to the the upper 1%?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 6,565 Senior Member
    ricinus wrote: »
    greedy or selfish

    Mike

    We have a winner! I'm not referencing you, Joe; just making a generalization.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    You shouldn't but then you shouldn't get the same wages and benefits of those that do pay. You get half.

    Why half?

    A majority of union work is unskilled labor. Most anyone with a high school diploma can walk into GM and get a job on the floor and join the UAW. But not everyone can leave a union/factory job and do the job of someone that has a college degree or other formal training in a certain field. What kind of dream world is this that you live in where skilled labor gets half of unskilled labor?

    If I were to take on union job in my area, I would cut my salary and benefits in half. No thanks. I'll stay non union.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    ricinus wrote: »
    Why would think you should be able to work at a job whose wages and benefits have been negotiated by a union and not pay dues. It seems you're being a bit greedy or selfish here.

    Mike

    Because I would rather not work for a union and have my wages and benefits based on my performance. Not what someone negotiated for me. I don't like the idea that the guy that sloughs off gets the same raise as the guy that busts his ****.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    Because that is where it probably was when the union started negotiating for you. Oh it is UAW, then you 25 cents an hour.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    Joe K. wrote: »
    Because I would rather not work for a union and have my wages and benefits based on my performance. Not what someone negotiated for me. I don't like the idea that the guy that sloughs off gets the same raise as the guy that busts his ****.

    A factory job has two levels of performance, adequate or fired.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    A factory job has two levels of performance, adequate or fired.

    Lol. Not the way it works. Unions are great at protecting the bad worker.
  • ricinusricinus Senior Member Posts: 6,214 Senior Member
    Joe K. wrote: »
    Lol. Not the way it works. Unions are great at protecting the bad worker.

    Actually a union is good at protecting workers rights. A bad worker can still be fired for the proper reasons..

    Mike
    My new goal in life is to become an Alter Kaker...
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    What rights need be protected? I've never worked a union job and never felt that I had "rights" that needed protection. If you show up to work, do the job you are supposed to do and perform it well why do you need protection?

    I've both seen and heard about bad workers not getting fired because of union protection. Your mileage may vary.
  • ricinusricinus Senior Member Posts: 6,214 Senior Member
    In my union days, I was involved in situations where people were fired and/or disciplined. Their union "protection" consisted of ensuring a fair and unbiased hearing. So,yup, my mileage does vary..

    Mike
    My new goal in life is to become an Alter Kaker...
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    Joe K. wrote: »
    Lol. Not the way it works. Unions are great at protecting the bad worker.

    What does a bad worker look like in an assembly line? Are the cars piling up?

    For your information bad workers get protected in management all the time without a union. I know I have worked with them. Perhaps some of the people you work with, work with one.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • HextallHextall Senior Member Posts: 9,520 Senior Member
    Unions got guaranteed contracts in baseball and now I am stuck with Arod for far too long.

    Thanks for nothing Pio/Obama.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    What does a bad worker look like in an assembly line?

    Refuses to do the job on the line because of some reason or other. Then production comes to a halt until it's resolved. I personally witnessed this happen.
  • Do you think that might be a factor in the fact that all of the increases in productivity are going to the the upper 1%?

    Absolutely.

    The only factor? No. The main factor? Probably not.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    Why am I guessing the some reason or other is a safety issue?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    Why am I guessing the some reason or other is a safety issue?
    It wasn't. The reason stated was that doing the job "hurts my hands" so someone else had to step in and do the job.

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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,290 Senior Member
    And that is not a safety issue? What happened to the employee?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,935 Senior Member
    No just a person whining. Person still works the same job.

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  • HextallHextall Senior Member Posts: 9,520 Senior Member
    At my job, every person has the power to shut down the work if one perceives a safety issue. And yes, someone's hands being hurt by the work qualifies as a safety issue.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    Work force ain't what it used to be. **** is rampant and has become lawyer sport.
    geee... I wonder why we outsource?
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • Hextall wrote: »
    And yes, someone's hands being hurt by the work qualifies as a safety issue.

    does this include blisters from trying to row a jon boat faster than the speed of sound?
  • HextallHextall Senior Member Posts: 9,520 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    Work force ain't what it used to be. **** is rampant and has become lawyer sport.
    geee... I wonder why we outsource?

    Well the good news is we still have the stupids doing our mining. Hopefully they'll all die under an avalanche of tailings.

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