Wait a minute. I've never said either of those things, and I do believe it is immoral behavior.
And I am fine with that. I am also fine with you not eating meat on Friday if that is your thing, just use the law to force me to eat fish sticks.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Actually the Pope is saying that we must love gay people and that they are still children of God and will have their place in Heaven. Is Bryan Fischer saying that?
The Pope if given his way would have the world ruled by a theocracy. I don't fault him for that, he is the pope what else he gonna think.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
You won comic. It's the law of the land. You are the one that seems to be using the law in this case. There's nothing I can do about homosexual marriage. I can still hold an opinion about it, and expect to not be called a bigot for it.
What natural consistency does Bryan Fischer represent? Have you read Russell Moore? Albert Mohler? These very devout orthodox Baptists represent actual believers. Fischer is fringe. Go read what they say, and then call them bigots.
But beyond that, I don't see this as a binary. According to you, a person is either tolerant (defined as accepting of gay marriage) or bigoted (defined by you as opposing gay marriage). But tolerance and acceptance are not synonyms. Tolerance doesn't necessarily constitute agreement. Tolerance, in its normal definition, means something else entirely. Tolerance means toleration for principles, lifestyles, sects, and creeds which must be allowed to exist to further social peace. It does NOT mean acceptance and celebration of unusual or innovative social norms.
The Pope if given his way would have the world ruled by a theocracy. I don't fault him for that, he is the pope what else he gonna think.
I love it when the left says stuff like this. Total denial of reality. We are in the midst of the greatest secular period this country has experienced since before the great awakening, and the country grows more secular every day. There is ZERO danger of a theocracy. The only danger right now is that orthodox religion dies out entirely in the West. While that seems farfetched, it's still more likely than a theocracy taking hold.
No issue brings out so much hatred from so many Catholics as homosexuality. Even after over 25 years as a Jesuit, the level of hatred around homosexuality is nearly unbelievable to me, especially when I think of all of the wonderful LGBT friends I have.
The Catholic church must do a much better job of teaching what the Catechism says: that we should treat our LGBT brothers and sisters with "respect, sensitivity and compassion."
But God wants more. God wants us to love. And not a twisted, crabbed, narrow tolerance, which often comes in the guise of condemnations, instructions and admonitions that try to masquerade as love, but actual love.
Love means: getting to know LGBT men and women, spending time with them, listening to them, being challenged by them, hoping the best for them, and wanting them to be a part of your lives, every bit as much as straight friends are part of your lives.
Love first. Everything else later. In fact, everything else is meaningless without love.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
I love it when the left says stuff like this. Total denial of reality. We are in the midst of the greatest secular period this country has experienced since before the great awakening, and the country grows more secular every day. There is ZERO danger of a theocracy. The only danger right now is that orthodox religion dies out entirely in the West. While that seems farfetched, it's still more likely than a theocracy taking hold.
Why are we talking about theocracy?
Who knows. Just a random thought concerning the Pope's freak out of Gay Marriage. I guess it is not clear cut. I mean you can oppose Gay Marriage and think Homosexuals deserve love and compassion. But those two thoughts rarely exist in the same person.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Who the hell is Bryan Fischer? I didn't get the memo.
Why is this any different than anybody else who believes homosexuality is a sin?
Try google.
The difference is one believes they are human beings that deserve to have a job and are deserving of love the other does not.
Do you believe that gays should be allowed to be teachers, doctors, lawyers, or Boy Scouts? Well the people that are being called bigots think they shouldn't. How is that not bigotry, regardless of its origin?
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Who the hell is Bryan Fischer? I didn't get the memo.
He's a fringe religious kook. Spends most of his time fending off attacks from other religious adherents. He's sort of a Saul Alinski type, the type of right-winger the left loves to hate. More influential in the eyes of the left than he is in reality.
What natural consistency does Bryan Fischer represent? Have you read Russell Moore? Albert Mohler?
He represents the bigots. Show me where those other two have been called bigots.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
He's a fringe religious kook. Spends most of his time fending off attacks from other religious adherents. He's sort of a Saul Alinski type, the type of right-winger the left loves to hate. More influential in the eyes of the left than he is in reality.
Apparently. Hell, the WSJ will throw a bone every once in awhile to Ted Cruz, and I've never seen or heard of this guy. I like to think I'm somewhat more informed than say the average American that thinks the Flintstones is non-fiction.
He's a fringe religious kook. Spends most of his time fending off attacks from other religious adherents. He's sort of a Saul Alinski type, the type of right-winger the left loves to hate. More influential in the eyes of the left than he is in reality.
He is also one of the leading spokesmen for the Family Research Council, a group whose hiney must be kissed to get the "Christian" endorsement.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Apparently. Hell, the WSJ will throw a bone every once in awhile to Ted Cruz, and I've never seen or heard of this guy. I like to think I'm somewhat more informed than say the average American that thinks the Flintstones is non-fiction.
I don't know why you would not know, I mean you are aware of CPAC, right?
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
The fact that comic even knows who Bryan Fischer is tells me all about where he gets his info and the reliability of it.
Well he is the one those sources are calling a bigot. But none of the people you mentioned.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Of course. And I know the GoProud story. How in the early days it had support from even people like Ann Coulter. Of course, it then went on to alienate everybody and die. Republicans don't like being called bigots - even by other Republicans.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Just so I'm clear here...nobody knows he is, nobody know he worked for, and it doesn't even matter since he was fired anyway, yet this guy speaks for the nearly 1/3 of American voters registered Republicans?
Of course. And I know the GoProud story. How in the early days it had support from even people like Ann Coulter. Of course, it then went on to alienate everybody and die. Republicans don't like being called bigots - even by other Republicans.
Read the article they were asked not to participate because hey were gay. But if they called people like Tony Perkins a bigot, are they wrong?
“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
Just so I'm clear here...nobody knows he is, nobody know he worked for, and it doesn't even matter since he was fired anyway, yet this guy speaks for the nearly 1/3 of American voters registered Republicans?
No you are not clear.
So who says that 1/3rd of registered Republicans are bigots? These are very specific people that are being called bigots not everybody that opposes gay marriage.
'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
So who says that 1/3rd of registered Republicans are bigots? These are very specific people that are being called bigots not everybody that opposes gay marriage.
We're all the same as Bryan Fischer. I mean the only reason why anybody can be against gay marriage is because they're either bigots or the pope.
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And I am fine with that. I am also fine with you not eating meat on Friday if that is your thing, just use the law to force me to eat fish sticks.
Actually the Pope is saying that we must love gay people and that they are still children of God and will have their place in Heaven. Is Bryan Fischer saying that?
The Pope if given his way would have the world ruled by a theocracy. I don't fault him for that, he is the pope what else he gonna think.
But beyond that, I don't see this as a binary. According to you, a person is either tolerant (defined as accepting of gay marriage) or bigoted (defined by you as opposing gay marriage). But tolerance and acceptance are not synonyms. Tolerance doesn't necessarily constitute agreement. Tolerance, in its normal definition, means something else entirely. Tolerance means toleration for principles, lifestyles, sects, and creeds which must be allowed to exist to further social peace. It does NOT mean acceptance and celebration of unusual or innovative social norms.
Why, and who is they.
I love it when the left says stuff like this. Total denial of reality. We are in the midst of the greatest secular period this country has experienced since before the great awakening, and the country grows more secular every day. There is ZERO danger of a theocracy. The only danger right now is that orthodox religion dies out entirely in the West. While that seems farfetched, it's still more likely than a theocracy taking hold.
Why are we talking about theocracy?
Who knows. Just a random thought concerning the Pope's freak out of Gay Marriage. I guess it is not clear cut. I mean you can oppose Gay Marriage and think Homosexuals deserve love and compassion. But those two thoughts rarely exist in the same person.
You are going to be sorely disappointed then.
Presumably as long as they're baptized.
Who the hell is Bryan Fischer? I didn't get the memo.
Why is this any different than anybody else who believes homosexuality is a sin?
Well you for one.
Bryan Fischer votes Republican. You vote Republican. Therefore, Bryan Fischer represents you.
I just got done explaining this to Buffy.
Try google.
The difference is one believes they are human beings that deserve to have a job and are deserving of love the other does not.
Do you believe that gays should be allowed to be teachers, doctors, lawyers, or Boy Scouts? Well the people that are being called bigots think they shouldn't. How is that not bigotry, regardless of its origin?
He's a fringe religious kook. Spends most of his time fending off attacks from other religious adherents. He's sort of a Saul Alinski type, the type of right-winger the left loves to hate. More influential in the eyes of the left than he is in reality.
He represents the bigots. Show me where those other two have been called bigots.
Apparently. Hell, the WSJ will throw a bone every once in awhile to Ted Cruz, and I've never seen or heard of this guy. I like to think I'm somewhat more informed than say the average American that thinks the Flintstones is non-fiction.
He is also one of the leading spokesmen for the Family Research Council, a group whose hiney must be kissed to get the "Christian" endorsement.
I don't know why you would not know, I mean you are aware of CPAC, right?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenricher/2012/02/10/cpac-bans-gay-group-but-not-for-the-sake-of-young-attendants/
Well he is the one those sources are calling a bigot. But none of the people you mentioned.
Of course. And I know the GoProud story. How in the early days it had support from even people like Ann Coulter. Of course, it then went on to alienate everybody and die. Republicans don't like being called bigots - even by other Republicans.
Mike
And they fired him-in January.
Would a brown trout rise to a Confederate Humpy?
Read the article they were asked not to participate because hey were gay. But if they called people like Tony Perkins a bigot, are they wrong?
“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
— FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010
No you are not clear.
So who says that 1/3rd of registered Republicans are bigots? These are very specific people that are being called bigots not everybody that opposes gay marriage.
We're all the same as Bryan Fischer. I mean the only reason why anybody can be against gay marriage is because they're either bigots or the pope.