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War crazy bufoons
They've been on TV beating the drums for repeating the original disaster in Iraq that they caused and the MSM is giving them a platform once again.
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/17/stop_treating_war_crazy_buffoons_as_experts_they_got_it_wrong_remember/
Stop treating war-crazy buffoons as experts! They got it wrong, remember?
Wolfowitz, Kristol and the rest of the neocons should be pariahs. Instead they're on Sunday show round tables
Simon Maloy
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/17/stop_treating_war_crazy_buffoons_as_experts_they_got_it_wrong_remember/
Stop treating war-crazy buffoons as experts! They got it wrong, remember?
Wolfowitz, Kristol and the rest of the neocons should be pariahs. Instead they're on Sunday show round tables
Simon Maloy
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Mike
Ed, Think about this for a second, even on a subject where a large portion of the posters might even be inclined to agree with you, you are not being taken seriously.
I agree that we should not take what Bill Kristol has to say on Iraq, any more seriously than we take your posts on the same subject.
If you don't take what I say seriously, why do you keep replying to my posts, and what makes you think you speak for everyone else on this forum?
We talk here about Shiites and Sunnis as if they’ve never lived together. Most Arab countries have Shiites and Sunnis, and a lot of them live perfectly well together.--Bill Kristol
Snap into a Slim Jim.
How many of them live perfectly well together because of totalitarian regimes that are too strong to overthrow? Remember this is the guy that told us there would be no insurgency and that we would be out of Iraq in 6 months. He should never be allowed to speak on this subject ever again.
The fact is Al-Maliki aggravated these differences by excluding the Sunni from the government. Without these animosities a group of between 800 and 8,000 (depending on who is giving the numbers.) would not have been able to defeat 30,000 Iraqi soldiers.
Okay, Ed. Then look at the responses you receive. How many of them are from people that think you are not out of touch?
In Iraq? All of them. At least before 2003. Quite unbelievable to me that conservatives of all people, didn't stop to think about the unintended consequences of removing a dictator. But then Neoconservative is just a label, a way to distinguish themselves from leftists. Historically, they would be considered liberal internationalists. Certainly the Iraq war was a futile exercise in Wilsonian adventurism.
I agree. Who's going to stop him though? Every time the MSM wants an opinion they run to Kristol, Wolfowitz, Cheney, et al. Makes Ed B look reasonable by comparison.
Because I have to be honest. It takes no particular prescience to see that Kristol was wrong. Comic and I are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, and we agree on that. So kudos to you for saying something that's obvious. But what about all the other crackpot stuff? And when someone disagrees, your natural inclination is to attack them rather than engage their arguments.
I don't think I have attacked anyone, I have defended my positions and sometimes responded in kind when attacked personally for what I say. I am not perfect and I'm sure I can do a better job of remaining objective in the face of personal attack, I'll work on that.
Yes. Two planes were hijacked and flown into them. A thorough investigation into the facts and circumstances was already conducted. For whatever reason, you don't accept that. Instead you assert that because Kristol was wrong about Iraq that the government lies about everything. That's what the logicians call a non sequitur. See, you're bad at making your case. As it happens, because your default position is that "the government" is lying, you're bound to be right once in a while. You merely have to wait long enough. Its actually ironically enough like Kristol's position that the answer to every problem is to use military force. But that's not an argument. Its crackpot nonsense that occasionally happens to coincide with reality.
The first and foremost duty of an engaged citizen is to only deal with reality. That's why I don't listen to Kristol, and I don't listen to you.
You had to say this, didn't you. It's like an "eyeworm"..
Mike
Well Sherb at least he didn't call you a war criminal. So you got that going for you.
This is Sherb's point. It is not that the governments position is always right no one here advocates that it is. However you have argued that the governments position on every **** thing is wrong; that is why many people discredit you.
As an advocate of Technocracy, I hold the position that the government's maintaining of the status quo money/political system is wrong. Therefore, most of the government policies are wrong, especially its foreign policy which is totally unnecessary except as a tool to maintain the present money system. I am appalled at the mass murder and destruction carried out by the government around the world in order to maintain that system.
Some of their policies such as Medicare/Medicaid and social security are good as far as they go but even those are inadequate as millions of Americans are without healthcare because they lack the money to pay for insurance. The government corruption in the political system is wrong in their corporate driven policies of continuing the development and use of fossil fuels to maintain gas driven autos which is more profitable than eco-friendly wind and solar power. This is the reason for our disastrous meddling in the M.E. and around the world.
So yes, most government policies are wrong because they are intended to maintain the present inadequate and outmoded social structure. Most of my postings here are intended to point that out thus your feeling that I should be discredited for doing so. I hope that you can understand that I have taken my stance as a positive outlook for the future hoping that people will see the necessity for basic social change to a scientific energy based social system that can replace our present wasteful and self destructive social structure.
In fact in many ways you and **** Cheney are a lot alike. You both discredit any information as false that does not support your already arrived at conclusions and you are willing to call anyone that disagrees with you a traitor and a fool.
So the government looks like incompetent fools eh? You're sounding more and more like me. Someone here might discredit you for saying that.
BTW, how did that poll turn out?