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  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 5,176 Senior Member
    ...dressing me up in KKK garb around the time ....

    Is it difficult to wade and/or cast with those big point hats on?
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 7,914 Senior Member
    I think the flowing water catching his bed sheet is a problem.
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    Can the KKK "rebrand"? With cooperation of the MS media, and control of school curricular, OF COURSE! Todays kids know little of the activities of a group that started to decline almost 90 years ago. They can be molded. Rebranding of communists and socialists is going on today. Some on the right are out to rebrand Joe McCarthy, and have made some progress.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    I am sure Frank Luntz is working on this as we speak. He has been making bigotry palatable for over 20 years. I am sure he can get it done.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,522 Senior Member
    I am sure Frank Luntz is working on this as we speak. He has been making bigotry palatable for over 20 years. I am sure he can get it done.
    I had to research who Frank Luntz is.

    Oddly HE is the one who proposed going from "global warming" to "climate change." Odd, as it's usually the scientists and "liberals" who are blamed for that. Not a conservative Republican strategist.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    I am sure Frank Luntz is working on this as we speak. He has been making bigotry palatable for over 20 years. I am sure he can get it done.

    What a **** thing to say.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    So, the Far Right thinks Luntz has Stockholm Syndrome. The Far Left (aka Fishing Comic) thinks he's the second coming of pre-paralysis George Wallace.

    Luntz For President in 2016.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    Actually he is the second coming of Joseph Goebbels.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    What a **** thing to say.

    Really he works for Newt and Buchanan and tells them how to blame welfare on minorities and I am being ****?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    I had to research who Frank Luntz is.

    Oddly HE is the one who proposed going from "global warming" to "climate change." Odd, as it's usually the scientists and "liberals" who are blamed for that. Not a conservative Republican strategist.

    His stealth is his super power.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,693 Senior Member

    "horribly racist", "disgusting name", "vile racial slur", "repellent racial epithet", "one of the most vehement racists", "incompetent lying corporate buffoon", "He is merely dumb, vain, greedy and stubborn", "thin-skinned moronic avatar of greed dedicated to bleeding fans of his team dry"

    Any writer who uses this much overwrought hyperbole deserves to be ignored.

    Something along the lines of "a name that is inappropriate because many find it offensive" would make for a lot more credibility, and have both him and the issue taken seriously.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    It's Salon, you don't get good journalism from Salon. My point was that he has taken a position in which he now has to re-brand a racist epithet. Once done there is re-branding the KKK that much of a stretch? Heck the whole, "We are not about hate, but about loving our race," is so Luntzesque, who knows, that may be where they got it.

    BTW it is a racist slur and not "a name that is inappropriate because many find it offensive."
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    George K wrote: »
    "horribly racist", "disgusting name", "vile racial slur", "repellent racial epithet", "one of the most vehement racists", "incompetent lying corporate buffoon", "He is merely dumb, vain, greedy and stubborn", "thin-skinned moronic avatar of greed dedicated to bleeding fans of his team dry"

    Any writer who uses this much overwrought hyperbole deserves to be ignored.

    Something along the lines of "a name that is inappropriate because many find it offensive" would make for a lot more credibility, and have both him and the issue taken seriously.


    Read Salon much, George? :)
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,693 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    Read Salon much, George? :)

    Not for several years. I'm a'guessin' that's a good thing.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    It's Salon, you don't get good journalism from Salon. My point was that he has taken a position in which he now has to re-brand a racist epithet. Once done there is re-branding the KKK that much of a stretch? Heck the whole, "We are not about hate, but about loving our race," is so Luntzesque, who knows, that may be where they got it.

    BTW it is a racist slur and not "a name that is inappropriate because many find it offensive."

    I think you would agree that's there a difference between an organization whose sole purpose is domestic terror and a team name that was not even offensive twenty years ago. Certainly times change, but the KKK has always been a racist organization. **** wasn't even a thing when I was a kid.

    Anyway, regarding this thread, the KKK has proven very adept at rebranding. Sometimes the "other" is blacks; sometimes its white ethnics, and sometimes its blacks again. That's right. The KKK once hated you Italians as much as it hated black people. But as times change, the Klan changes with it.

    Also, Robert Byrd? Klansman. Hugo Black? Klan. Frank Luntz. . . not klan.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    The name is horribly racist, but still better than the Wizards (who should go back to being the Bullets).

    As for Luntz, PR guys are like lawyers. They take a vow to represent anybody.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    sherb wrote: »
    **** wasn't even a thing when I was a kid.

    This is true.
    And those pancakes were pretty **** good.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    Well then you were not raised on The Lone Ranger. Because that is what all the racist villagers would call Tonto.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    Also, Robert Byrd? Klansman. Hugo Black? Klan. Frank Luntz. . . not klan.

    Is there some sort of indoctrination class you guys go to that teaches you that whenever someone mentions race you must knee jerk Robert Byrd?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    I think the team should change it to the Washington Snail Darters or something equally innocuous and stupid.

    To me, **** is like "Viking" or "Vandal" or "spartan." Its meant to convey fighting spirit. It was not a term of derision, or the team wouldn't have chosen it. But like I said, times change, and Snyder is fighting against the inevitability of history and eventually, it will change. He should just do it now.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    Is there some sort of indoctrination class you guys go to that teaches you that whenever someone mentions race you must knee jerk Robert Byrd?

    No, I just know it makes you crazy.

    "Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." --Robert Byrd, Klansman.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    BTW Stanford changed their name in the '70's so it was hardly "not a thing" when you were growing up. I remember having this discussion in the 6th grade.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    No, I just know it makes you crazy.

    "Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." --Robert Byrd, Klansman.

    Which is the party of Ron Paul again?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 9,693 Senior Member
    Including Justice Black without explanation is a tad disingenuous, no?
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    George K wrote: »
    Including Justice Black without explanation is a tad disingenuous, no?

    How so? Was Hugo not a member of the Klan? In fact, would Hugo have ever been a U.S senator without the Klan? No. And he certainly wouldn't have been a supreme court justice, since FDR would have no reason to appoint someone who's law school was podunk U to the US supreme Court (though in fairness I must admit that credentialism didn't play as much of a role then as it does today).
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    Which is the party of Ron Paul again?

    Who gives a ****? Was Ron Paul the pompous Senior senator who rose every week to piously lecture the great unwashed on the history of the Republic? No. Was Ron Paul the king of Pork? No.

    It seems to me that if we are going to insist on renaming the Washington Indigenous Peoples to the Washington Organic Avocados then we ought to be renaming a lot of bridges in West Virginia.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    Kind of says something that you have to reach back fifty years and I can find a quote from a Republican within the last 50 days.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 23,317 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    Who gives a ****? Was Ron Paul the pompous Senior senator who rose every week to piously lecture the great unwashed on the history of the Republic? No. Was Ron Paul the king of Pork? No.

    It seems to me that if we are going to insist on renaming the Washington Indigenous Peoples to the Washington Organic Avocados then we ought to be renaming a lot of bridges in West Virginia.

    No Ron Paul is the guy that wants to lecture us on the constitution and genuinely believes black people to be inferior.

    Is there a bridge called "The N****er Bridge?"
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • JulietJuliet Posts: 0
    Produce the quote.

    The problem here is that "racism" consists of a series of shifting goalposts. Respectable public policy positions from 20 years ago are now considered virulently racist diatribes. So, if you can produce something to match Senator Byrd, I'd love to hear it.

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