Obama contradicts his own officials on Healthcare.gov

SilverCreekSilverCreek Senior MemberPosts: 131 Senior Member
Obama promises Healthcare.gov will be working properly for the "vast majority" by the end of the month.

Tuesday Nov 26, 2013

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/26/us-usa-obama-idUSBRE9AP1CB20131126

"During a three-day Western swing through Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles, Obama touted the accomplishments of his signature law, popularly known as Obamacare, and promised the glitches were going away.

Although he occasionally referred pejoratively to the "darn" website, HealthCare.gov, he made a point of shifting his message to the positive benefits his law had achieved and piling on Republicans for rooting for its failure.

"Yes, we decided to fix a broken healthcare system," Obama told workers at DreamWorks Animation on Tuesday, the final day of his trip.

"I was talking to some of the studio execs here and I said, 'You know the rollout of the healthcare marketplace was rough' ... and yet here in California and here across this state, there are thousands of people who are getting healthcare for the first time - for the first time - because of this."

The administration has promised the website will be working for the vast majority of Americans by the end of this month, and White House officials continue to express confidence that goal will be achieved.

"The website is continually working better, so check it out," Obama said
to laughter from the crowd."



Meanwhile, behind closed doors, the administration is telling their allies not to use Healthcare.gov while on the road Obama continues to tell the public they should enroll.......

Tuesday Nov 27, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/27/us/politics/white-house-urges-caution-on-health-site.html

"WASHINGTON — White House officials, fearful that the federal health care website may again be overwhelmed this weekend, have urged their allies to hold back enrollment efforts so the insurance marketplace does not collapse under a crush of new users.

At the same time, administration officials said Tuesday that they had decided not to inaugurate a big health care marketing campaign planned for December out of concern that it might drive too many people to the still-fragile HealthCare.gov.

White House officials offered a similar message on Monday in a meeting with some of their allies, including the Service Employees International Union and Enroll America. Both groups had pledged to work hard to drive traffic to the website.

In the meeting, Ms. Palmieri said, officials urged the groups to hold back, at least for the first several days of December, to see how much traffic the website is getting. Ms. Palmieri summarized the message: “Our recommendation is that we expect there to be really high traffic. You shouldn’t be driving traffic.”

If the website again crashes repeatedly, Mr. Obama’s critics are sure to pounce and some of his Democratic allies may become anxious and apprehensive. Since the website went live eight weeks ago, the botched system has become a symbol of what Republicans say is an overreaching, incompetent federal government. The debate about the website’s failures, and the broader role of government, may shape the outcome of next year’s congressional elections.

Aides to Mr. Obama have spent the last several days trying to manage expectations by offering high estimates of potential traffic at the end of the month, and by acknowledging that the system will still have problems in the weeks ahead.

“The system will not work perfectly,” Jeffrey D. Zients, who took over management of the website repair effort, told reporters on Friday. He said the site would be able to handle 50,000 users, but added, “To be clear, there will be times that volume on HealthCare.gov will exceed this capacity.”

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  • dryfliedryflie Senior Member Posts: 1,442 Senior Member
    Once again I'll ask...what does a malfunctioning website have to do with the validity of the ACA? So the site might crash due to over usage....**** the law must really suck. This entire issue is just BS.
    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
  • Where does SC suggest that the malfunction of healthcare.gove invalidates the worthiness of ACA? When has anybody suggested that?
    It does, however, once more prove that the executive branch is being run by the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
  • dryfliedryflie Senior Member Posts: 1,442 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Where does SC suggest that the malfunction of healthcare.gove invalidates the worthiness of ACA? When has anybody suggested that?
    It does, however, once more prove that the executive branch is being run by the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

    Did I suggest that?? So sorry.
    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
  • SilverCreekSilverCreek Senior Member Posts: 131 Senior Member
    It's called a red herring fallacy, an attempt to move discussion away from an incompetent administration that continues to drop the ball and lie about it. From the New York Times Article below.

    Less than a month ago, "Marilyn B. Tavenner, the administrator of the Medicare agency" told a congressional panel "that the website for the small business exchange would be in operation by the end of this month."


    Online Health Law Sign-Up Is Delayed for Small Business

    By ROBERT PEAR
    Published: November 27, 2013

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/28/us/politics/years-delay-expected-in-major-element-of-health-law.html


    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Wednesday announced a one-year delay in a major element of the new health care law that would allow small businesses to buy insurance online for their employees through the new federal marketplace.


    It was yet another setback for the rollout of the health care law and resulted, in part, from the well-documented problems of the insurance marketplace website. Administration officials said they had to focus on the basic functions of the website, so that individuals could shop for insurance, before offering online enrollment for small businesses. In the meantime, businesses and their employees can apply through brokers.

    Many employees of small businesses are uninsured, and the businesses themselves are much less likely than big companies to provide coverage to workers and their families.

    The latest delay, coming just as the White House was boasting of major improvements in the health insurance website, HealthCare.gov, opens the door to more complaints about the health care law and could increase pressure to delay other provisions.

    “The president bit off more than he can chew with this health care law, and small businesses are now forced to bear the consequences,” said Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio. “Business owners across the country are already having health care plans for their employees canceled by this law, and now they’re told they won’t have access to the system the president promised them to find different coverage. Instead, they’ll have to resort to a system you’d expect to see in the 1950s.”

    It was not the first delay for small businesses. The administration had previously delayed online enrollment for them to the end of this month from Oct. 1.

    The date has now been pushed back to November 2014 for coverage that takes effect in January 2015, according to the Health and Human Services Department.

    The announcement, just before Thanksgiving, was reminiscent of the way the White House announced, just before the Fourth of July weekend, a one-year delay in the requirement for larger employers to offer health insurance to employees.

    The marketplace for small businesses — the Small Business Health Options Program, or SHOP exchange — was one of the few provisions of the 2010 law with some Republican support, and it was originally championed by Senator Olympia J. Snowe, Republican of Maine.

    John C. Arensmeyer, the chief executive of Small Business Majority, an advocacy group that supports the health care law, said, “It’s disappointing that the online portion of the federal small business marketplace through Healthcare.gov will be delayed, and it’s important it get up and running as soon as possible.”

    The marketplace, he said, “is still the most important provision in the Affordable Care Act for small businesses.”

    For years, small businesses have had difficulty getting affordable insurance. Many owners cite the rising cost of health insurance as their top concern.

    The administration said that small businesses and their employees seeking coverage in the federal exchange could still apply and enroll through an agent or broker, as many do now. “Agents and brokers are essential to making this happen,” an administration official said.

    However, the high-tech capability once promised by the White House will not be available until late next year.

    “The agent, broker or insurer will help the employer fill out a paper application for SHOP eligibility and send it in to the SHOP marketplace,” the administration said. The insurer can also tell employers what premiums they would have to pay and can enroll employees.

    Some small businesses may qualify for tax credits worth up to 50 percent of their premium costs. The tax credits will be available only for plans purchased through the small business exchange.

    Amanda L. Austin, a lobbyist at the National Federation of Independent Business, a trade group, said she had heard rumors that the online small business exchange might be delayed, but was surprised that it had been put off for a year. “That’s pretty significant,” Ms. Austin said. “The online exchange is a key component of the Affordable Care Act, and administration officials have hailed it as the answer to small businesses’ health care concerns.”

    While the online exchange is being delayed, she said, “many small businesses face higher premiums in 2014 because of new taxes, including a new federal tax on the health insurance they purchase.”

    Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, said that the website was “vastly improved each and every day,” with hardware upgrades and software fixes that produced lower error rates and faster response times for users.

    An employer using the SHOP exchange must offer coverage to all full-time employees — generally those working at least 30 hours a week, on average.

    In April, the Obama administration delayed a requirement that SHOP exchanges offer a variety of competing insurance plans to employees. The administration cited “operational challenges” as a reason for that delay.

    Congress had wanted to provide small business employees with a range of health plan options. While some state-run exchanges will allow employers to offer such choices to employees, the federal exchange will not do so until 2015.

    E. Neil Trautwein, a vice president of the National Retail Federation, said, “If the law is so burdensome for the administration to implement, just think how hard it is for small businesses.”

    In a separate announcement, officials at the Health and Human Services Department said Wednesday that they would replace the contractor that manages computer servers handling the enormous load of data collected by HealthCare.gov.

    Terremark, a subsidiary of Verizon Communications that now provides the service, will be replaced in March by Hewlett-Packard, officials said. A spokeswoman at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said the change had been planned at least since July. Issues related to the raw computing capacity of the servers provided by Terremark have been cited as a factor in the website problems. A spokesman for Verizon declined to comment.

    The problems engulfing President Obama’s health care law are remarkable because administration officials had repeatedly brushed aside doubts about whether they would be ready.

    Testifying before a congressional panel on Oct. 29, Marilyn B. Tavenner, the administrator of the Medicare agency, said, in response to a question, that the website for the small business exchange would be in operation by the end of this month.
  • bakerloobakerloo Banned Posts: 980 Senior Member


    So I will make my point and leave. You can have the final acrimonious word.

    You'll be back. You can't live without it.
    "So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory."
    Aldo Leopold
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    I just contacted Bob Williams.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • bakerloobakerloo Banned Posts: 980 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    I just contacted Bob Williams.

    Call Trootfisher while you're at it.
    "So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory."
    Aldo Leopold
  • You do understand right that this was the single largest website rollout in history and they weren't even supposed to do it, it was supposed to be up to the states. Lest we forget the rollout of Bush's drug plan went no better and was not even near as complicated.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-we-got-obamacare-to-work/2013/11/17/3f2532bc-4e42-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101216621

    BTW it is statements like this that tell me that nobody here is really interested in discussing anything. All you want is a fight and acrimony. It is bull spit and built on a fallacy unsupported by the facts.



    So I will make my point and leave. You can have the final acrimonious word.

    First, it wasn't supposed to be up to the states. From the get-go, states had the choice as it was understood that the Federal Government couldn't force the states to set up these exchanges. The states get no blame in the healthcare.gov mess.

    Second, we didn't need a complete overhaul of the health care system to expand Medicaid.
  • dryfliedryflie Senior Member Posts: 1,442 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Second, we didn't need a complete overhaul of the health care system to expand Medicaid.

    Steven, the ACA includes a massive expansion of Medicaid yet 25 states have refused to participate. My preference would have been a single payer program but that was liked doomed from the start. I suspect, but don't know for sure, that a Medicaid expansion alone would have been doomed as well.

    More often than not laws are ugly compromises.
    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
  • dryflie wrote: »
    Steven, the ACA includes a massive expansion of Medicaid yet 25 states have refused to participate.

    So?
    The point I made was that claims of Obamacare success are predicated on something we could have done without it. Calling Obamacare a success based on Medicaid expansion is re-setting a very low bar.

    The point Comic seemed to be making was that the healthcare.gov mess is the fault of the states that wouldn't set up their own exchanges. Not hardly.

    dryflie wrote: »
    My preference would have been a single payer program but that was liked doomed from the start. I suspect, but don't know for sure, that a Medicaid expansion alone would have been doomed as well..

    The Dems had the votes needed to pass anything (remember ACA passed without a single Republican vote). It's tough for me to think that this mishigas could be passed but something much more straight forward like Medicaid expansion couldn't have been. But then, apparently, nobody read the ACA anyway.
  • Wow.

    Nobody has called anybody a liar in quite a long while. A few months at least. Coincidence?

    "On December 23, the Senate voted 60–39 to end debate on the bill: a cloture vote to end the filibuster by opponents."

    The election of Scott Brown only became important when the House (led by Democrats) wouldn't accept the Senate version. And that's why you had to have the reconcilation process.

    I'm thinking I might have a better relationship with the facts than you.
    ================================================

    FWIW, I'm here for two reasons. To argue and to laugh. That's it.

    If you don't have time for such nonsense, then you shouldn't post.
  • dryfliedryflie Senior Member Posts: 1,442 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »


    If you don't have time for such nonsense, then you shouldn't post.

    Steven, I have all the time in the world for your nonsense....keep it coming.
    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
  • bakerloobakerloo Banned Posts: 980 Senior Member
    Two words Susan Collins

    If you are here to argue and you spend a great deal of your day here. I feel sorry for you.

    Says the man with 11,437 posts in 2.5 years...
    "So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory."
    Aldo Leopold
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 10,271 Senior Member
    bakerloo wrote: »
    Says the man with 11,437 posts in 2.5 years...

    Come on, don't be a ****. Do you WANT this to be an echo chamber?
  • DblhaulDblhaul Member Posts: 56 Member
    comic is right back to his ways, being an **** to all that disagree with his view.
  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 10,271 Senior Member
    We're not exactly being welcoming either though with posts like that.
  • bakerloobakerloo Banned Posts: 980 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    Come on, don't be a ****. Do you WANT this to be an echo chamber?

    and this was being nice? Hello Pot!
    "So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory."
    Aldo Leopold

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