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Iran Nucular Deal
Yeah, I spelled it wrong so our resident rightwads would get a nostalgic chubby for "W."
Anyway, what does everyone think of this temporary deal that has been struck?
I think it is interesting and who knows, it may even work and be a nice stepping stone towards improved relations. If it doesn't work, then we can re-enact the sanctions. I hope one of the main negotiating points, in addition to uranium enrichment, is Iran's terrorism funding. I see Hezbollah as a greater threat to regional peace and security than a nuclear weapon that probably doesn't even have a viable delivery system.
Anywho, I'd appreciate your opinions!
Anyway, what does everyone think of this temporary deal that has been struck?
I think it is interesting and who knows, it may even work and be a nice stepping stone towards improved relations. If it doesn't work, then we can re-enact the sanctions. I hope one of the main negotiating points, in addition to uranium enrichment, is Iran's terrorism funding. I see Hezbollah as a greater threat to regional peace and security than a nuclear weapon that probably doesn't even have a viable delivery system.
Anywho, I'd appreciate your opinions!
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The rightwing is comparing this to Munich....good god.. Nixon went to China.....Reagan went to Russia, Begin went to Egypt. All made deals with the enemy.....None were accused of going to Munich.
Just read this:
Sure they will. Any day now.
Just what do you imagine "taking care of the problem" might be. Bombing impregnable sites, bombing cities? There isn't any taking care of the problem without an all out war.....god knows conservatives just love them.
That being the case, a negotiated deal seems to me to be more logical than military action and/or sanctions.
The goal has always been to dismantle Iran's capability. This deal falls for short of the goal.
Supposedly, a new deal is to be struck in 6 months with Iran agreeing to dismantle. Does anybody really think that's going to happen?
And when the Iranians refuse, does anybody think the world is just going to "dial those sanctions right back up?"
This deal gives the Iranians a little breathing room for little in return. We'll know more in 6 months, but I'd bet this is going to be a fail.
Ed, you're just being naive or purposely blind. No one builds mountain sites with 100000 centrifuges simply to give the world the illusion they are making nuclear bombs. I'd bet you a dollar to a donut that without the world wide sanctions Iran would have an arsenal of bombs today. And why not?? Israel has the bomb, also Pakistan, India, China, N.Korea, France, the UK, etc, etc. The evidence is pretty clear, Iran was well on it's way to building a bomb.
What do you say to sending in some drones to spy on them so we can find out for sure?
Mike
As somebody once said, India was a screwdriver away from having the bomb for years and years. The question isn't whether Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons, but whether Iran is trying to get to break out capacity.
So where's the evidence?
1) Uranium enriched to 20% for one thing. 20% enrichment is more than needed for energy (3.5%) but really not that far a stretch from the 90% necessary for nuclear weapons. Why does Iran need stockpiles of uranium at 20% enrichment?
2) Arak: Why does the moderator use heavy water? A moderator using water is sufficient for energy purposes. The use of heavy water means Arak is capable of producing plutonium.
3) U.N. report on warheads. In 2010, the U.N. IAEA declared there was proof that Iran had been and was currently working on building a nuclear warhead.
Iran has gone far beyond what is needed for a peaceful energy program. Maybe they want to make a bomb...maybe they want to just be seen as being able to make a bomb. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard is an exporter of terrorism. Should the mullahs be trusted with even break out capabilities? If I'm the Saudis or Israelis, I sure as hell wouldn't want to leave it up to trust.
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a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
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because they believe fervently in the afterlife? they believe the world will end in fire, and they'll get their reward?
That's exactly what Christians believe.
not really - modern mainstream christians don't believe in martyrdom guaranteeing their place in the afterlife
but nice try....you were almost cogent there for a change
Mike
Crazy is as crazy does?
The sanctions have been crippling, yet the mullahs (who supposedly just want a nuclear energy program) have refused to take the steps necessary to give everybody assurances. Crazy is as crazy does.
Saddam Hussein has no WMD, but kicks the IAEA inspectors out, to make it look like he has WMD? Crazy is as crazy does.
Hamas militants cross over into Israeli and kidnap a soldier, knowing full well that Israel will rain hell down on their people. Crazy is as crazy does.
These people aren't like you and me, our logic may not hold.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=5951.0
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"This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins".
Does G-d tell the Mullahs to stone women?
Did G-d tell the Mulllahs to help Bashar Assad repress the Syrian people?
Did G-d tell Khameini that Israel is a cancerious tumor that should be cut out and will be cut out?
This list can go on and on. That you think W was whacked, doesn't mean that these guys aren't.
I think they are copying the N. Korea playbook (or is it the other way around?). Act as crazy and committed as possible and the West will buy you off, meanwhile your Gulf enemies will cower. The Western powers policy is correct I think: make it as costly and politically difficult for the regime to continue it program, and eventually they will remember that actually using their weapon is a death sentence.
Are these Arab cultures capable of change? Maybe not, but the Arab Spring was real. If we think the Iranians are as crazy as they act, then this deal is a bad mistake, as Bibi says. I don't think they are though. Iran has a corrupt regime, and a history of bluffing (have they closed the Straights yet? Didn't they promise us that?).
They also have a dead economy, lots of young unemployed citizens, and a relic merchant class crying for relief. I remember when the Soviet Union was depicted as an implacable enemy who would never relent in their quest to destroy us. Red China was depicted the same way. World-wide Communism was in cahoots with Satan. All that turned out to be wrong. They turned out to be human after all.
There are those who say the Neocon agenda is to invade Iran. I don't think the public will support that after all we have been through. Without an invasion, this approach is the logical one.
Mike
Will they...probably not, but like I said I hope they do. Will it stop Iran from getting the bomb eventually, of course not.
Are their sites impregnable? I am guessing some probably are, but I'd be willing to bet the farm that at a minimum we have sold bunker busters to Israel (not just what has been reported in the media). I hope they don't just go bombing cities if they do take action, that solves nothing.
They hate the Israelis more than they like being alive.
They have you fooled then. Thats BS.
Cite me some action the Iranian leadership has taken that indicates they are fanatics willing to sacrifice their lives.