The bought Congress

EdBEdB Senior MemberPosts: 2,933 Senior Member

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  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    100% agree with Dylan Ratigan on that rant.... and I actually thought that Obama would be the one to "change" this cycle of economic abuse to our system. No, he is not. could he have made a change? Yes, but he didn't, not in the least bit. Not only is he on board with the status quo of Americans being robbed by a corrupt system... he's gonna markedly expand the insurance industry's take of the cut.
    Throw all of the bums out. This is all about the greed of those in power and sustaining an historically corrupt system designed to slowly bleed the average citizens dry.... seeing how much they can bleed before the system caves in. Once it caves in, rinse and repeat. Congress blames pres.... and pres blames congress. This divides public opinion and distracts from the big picture every time. Divide and conquer? No, divide and profit.
    If Ratigan ran for office I'd vote for him tomorrow. He gets it.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • ouzelproouzelpro Senior Member Posts: 5,361 Senior Member
    I agree with Ratigan's rant. The problem is that we are the ones who voted the Bums in, and we'll do it again.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 4,028 Senior Member
    We don't get a choice. The bought and paid for candidates are the only ones who make it the primary, with the medias help. Step one, cap contributions, set term limits.
  • ouzelproouzelpro Senior Member Posts: 5,361 Senior Member
    Elections are term limits, done.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    Sadly, government employees (pres, house, senate, branches, etc) no longer work for us.... clearly it is us that works for them, and they've gotten a bit greedy and competitive about it. All we can do is vote on the latest vampire at this point.
    Would love to see someone with Dylan's passion run, everyone would. I was cautiously optimistic that this was going to be Obama, that's what I thought "change" would entail. Quite the contrary and congress is a daily joke at this point.
    ...but the joke's on us.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 4,028 Senior Member
    Maybe Obama's change will come in the form of opening peoples eyes who will, and are ultimately responsible for, forcing change. Could be a stroke of genius, or complete coincidence.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Maybe Obama's change will come in the form of opening peoples eyes who will, and are ultimately responsible for, forcing change.
    I really really wish this were true but it's well beyond that now.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 10,115 Senior Member
    Same stage. Different players.

    I personally never expected anything to be any different and its not.
  • This guy's hilarious. What does "extracted mean?"
    Who's going to run his infrastructure bank?
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    I agree Joe. The eternal optimist in me is a flaw though, I really had some hope with him.
    Media has it's mittens deep in the cookie jar too of course and very largely influences major elections.
    It sucks that We The People (general voting public) are so easily swayed.... red team, blue team mentality and ohhh the juicy scandals and finger pointing in an election season.
    The gradual dumbing down of America was genius, pure genius. Evil greedy genius... but still genius.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 10,115 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    I agree Joe. The eternal optimist in me is a flaw though, I really had some hope with him.

    You and I both. I set myself up for disappointment early on so it was easier to take down the road.

    After disconnecting from the world for 4 days this past weekend, for a cast and blast trip, it makes me think I should just say F it and become apolitical. Its not like being involved or interested is actually going to change anything.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,559 Senior Member
    joekrz wrote: »
    Its not like being involved or interested is actually going to change anything.
    This is where I'm at.
    Can only hold tight riding in boxcar or coach just enjoying the view.... during this slow motion train wreck. I can't steer a train or even talk to the conductor. The car is full of grumbling and shouting passengers, I don't even think they notice me and are pretty set on trusting the conductor, engineer, or train company.
    I still just keep enjoying the scenery as I look away and put my headphones back on.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • WetdogWetdog Senior Member Posts: 5,149 Senior Member
    The Prez speaking and the politicians and the public listening? Some of you guys just don't get where the public is right now. He's tried it, I wish he would go to the public tonight, but what would be the point? It seems all, including most here are not capable of seeing through their own rhetoric and sad outdated ideology. We've been spoon fed what to think for decades upon decades. Now we are seeing the fruit of that effort. None of "you" really want the rules changed becasue you don't want the "other" side to take advantage of it. People can deny it, but that's the truth of it. The only "ideology" that has a any validity is "the most good for the most people." The stronger the people, the stronger the country. There is no success if the benefits only go to the few. Again we are seeing the fruit today.

    Throw away the ideologies and simply do what is right for everyone. I laugh at people whining and keep sending the same Aholes back to Washington and the State gov, year after year because of some stupid color associated with them. I live where we have Sean Duffy, Ron Johnson, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan,...... And nearly every single Republican in this State will vote again for the same people over and over while they cry and rant about government, when for the most part who they vote for is who is tearing this country down.

    What a news flash, money buys congressmen. While in general I agree with his rant, but thinking the Pres (any Pres) can fix that is....well...nuts. The Supreme Court took care of any hope of really solving this problem with Citizens United. Then there are newly gerrymandered districts--one of which I live in--make sure there is not change for eight years or so (next census). It's just a wonderful idea for the Prez to go to the American people and demand a change. The weak Dems will say "Great" but won't refuse to take the money, the Repubs will just call him a socialist and blame him for taking money, but will not blame their own. That growing segment of Tea Party libertarian/Republicans will just scream "burn it down." They aren't bought off, they hate Wall Street, Kstreet, economics. Now since they will no longer listen to the Koch Brothers who funded them from the beginning, they will ride us into the ground. They are birthers and believe every other stupid thought the far right and Fox can come up with. They are going to listen to a Socialist?

    Just a note on the Tea Party, when a number of you would hold them up as educated, not really a bunch of losers that have been hiding in the swamps. Ted Cruz has a Harvard degree. Just shows you what an education can do for you. Belief in the social Darwinism of Ayn Rand.

    Now there is no hope that things will change at the Federal level because of the costs of an election campaign and Citizens United. It has to change at the State level to avoid C.U. However on the State level the "actors" are even less intelligent and want to advance to the next level. They aren't going to change anything.

    You want to fix this mess, well we need several new vacancies on the Supreme Court immediately--Kennedy and "The Blacks" Scalia and Thomas come to mind. If that doesn't happen within the next two years, there won't be a way out of the mess. The Owners will make sure of that.
    I find the assault on free thought disturbing,
    I find the willingness to give it up frightening.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 10,115 Senior Member
    Wetdog wrote: »
    What a news flash, money buys congressmen. While in general I agree with his rant, but thinking the Pres (any Pres) can fix that is....well...nuts. The Supreme Court took care of any hope of really solving this problem with Citizens United.

    Money has been buying congressmen for years. Don't know that someone can actually say CU changed the ballgame and whether it has had any impact at all. NPR has a great timeline money in politics.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121293380

    NYT also had a good story on CU

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/magazine/how-much-has-citizens-united-changed-the-political-game.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&
  • WetdogWetdog Senior Member Posts: 5,149 Senior Member
    I never suggested that CU "changed the ballgame." But in a sense it did in that there is nearly nothing we can now do about it.

    They have been bought off since day one. The founding fathers (most) were only interested in becoming richer. Self interest is at the heart of most politics. It's no different anywhere else, what does differ is the framework in which politicians operate. We have given them the keys to the storehouse and liquor cabinet.
    I find the assault on free thought disturbing,
    I find the willingness to give it up frightening.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 10,115 Senior Member
    I don't believe there was anything we could have done before CU that would have made a difference.
  • WetdogWetdog Senior Member Posts: 5,149 Senior Member
    joekrz wrote: »
    I don't believe there was anything we could have done before CU that would have made a difference.

    In a sense you are correct because very few would want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Attempts were made but were stripped by amendments of anything that actually would have helped. And generally it was the republicans that did the "stripping."
    I find the assault on free thought disturbing,
    I find the willingness to give it up frightening.
  • GoldenladleGoldenladle Super Moderator Posts: 3,897 Senior Member
    Wetdog wrote: »
    The Prez speaking and the politicians and the public listening? Some of you guys just don't get where the public is right now. He's tried it, I wish he would go to the public tonight, but what would be the point? It seems all, including most here are not capable of seeing through their own rhetoric and sad outdated ideology.

    Sadly, with the exception of a just a few people, the echo chamber is almost complete.

    Moved to Montana, gonna be a dental floss tycoon.

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