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    What exactly did Merkel Mean?

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    At the start of her address, Merkel referenced both world wars in the 20th century, saying that the "political actors involved had almost sleepwalked into a horrendous situation." She said there was a danger that the world had not learned the lessons from history.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/germ...lls-davos.html

    Maybe she meant that the political actors involved Goose Stepped into a horrendous situation?

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    So I saw that movie "darkest hour" last week. Really good movie, but it gave me a lot more sympathy for the appeasers, Halifax and Chamberlain. Its easy in hindsight to say that Churchill was right, but at the time appeasement seemed like an honorable way to avoid another horrendous World War, and Churchill's track record up to that point was spotty.

    Doesn't really answer the question, but its a thought I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherb View Post
    So I saw that movie "darkest hour" last week. Really good movie, but it gave me a lot more sympathy for the appeasers, Halifax and Chamberlain. Its easy in hindsight to say that Churchill was right, but at the time appeasement seemed like an honorable way to avoid another horrendous World War, and Churchill's track record up to that point was spotty.

    Doesn't really answer the question, but its a thought I had.
    On the topic of Churchill. The book I just finished Dead Wake, left a bit of a sour taste about him after he laid all the blame of the sinking of the Lusitania on Capt. Turner. Turner was cleared in like three separate inquires and the blame placed entirely on the German U-boat torpedo.
    There was also a lot of speculation that Churchill and or the admiralty, may have purposefully not sent a Naval escort or at least warning to the Lusitania and used the attack to seek political advantage (draw the US into the war). Iím not sure that holds water. What I do think odd is him placing the blame entirely on Capt. Turner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeA View Post
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    At the start of her address, Merkel referenced both world wars in the 20th century, saying that the "political actors involved had almost sleepwalked into a horrendous situation." She said there was a danger that the world had not learned the lessons from history.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/germ...lls-davos.html

    Maybe she meant that the political actors involved Goose Stepped into a horrendous situation?
    Her words certainly describe the lead up to WW1, and since WWII is seen by many as a follow up, I suppose its defensible. The sleep walk theme is strong in The Guns Of August. And allowing the Nazi's to rearm has its sleepwalking aspect. It is strange and maybe offensive to be lectured by a German, but at some point in time we have to forgive the descendants. its been 72 years since it was over.

    As to her warnings about the present, its hard to see the sides going at it, since the results would be catastrophic, but they might have thought the same in 1913.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekguy View Post
    It is strange and maybe offensive to be lectured by a German, but at some point in time we have to forgive the descendants. its been 72 years since it was over.

    That's why I'm all about Schnitzel...Sauerkraut...Beer and Bavarian Bar Maids---hey I'm the picture of forgiveness

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekguy View Post
    Her words certainly describe the lead up to WW1, and since WWII is seen by many as a follow up, I suppose its defensible. The sleep walk theme is strong in The Guns Of August. And allowing the Nazi's to rearm has its sleepwalking aspect. It is strange and maybe offensive to be lectured by a German, but at some point in time we have to forgive the descendants. its been 72 years since it was over.

    As to her warnings about the present, its hard to see the sides going at it, since the results would be catastrophic, but they might have thought the same in 1913.
    Yea, the Guns of August gave me the impression of a bunch of elitist aristocrats trying to out aristocrat each other.
    Iím not sure however that any nation sleepwalks into a WW though. Thereís an aggressor and thereís a defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekguy View Post

    As to her warnings about the present, its hard to see the sides going at it, since the results would be catastrophic, but they might have thought the same in 1913.
    I don't think so. In 1913, the great powers were getting closer and closer to war, whereas the great powers now are further and further from it. Imagine France and Germany fighting a war now. You can't.

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    One may say that France and Germany are the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherb View Post
    I don't think so. In 1913, the great powers were getting closer and closer to war, whereas the great powers now are further and further from it. Imagine France and Germany fighting a war now. You can't.
    Too literal. She's talking about a trade war with the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven View Post
    Too literal. She's talking about a trade war with the U.S.

    Gotcha. That makes sense.

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