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    It's always about the infrastructure.

    You know, a 30 billion dollar jet program that doesn't work would pay for a lot of bridges.

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    Here's an idea. Every able bodied male that is on gov't assistance will be required to obtain successful employment. However, when said male is not out hunting for a job, he will, Monday through Friday, be required to show up to my farm and pull weeds, clear fence rows, or whatever else I need to get done.

    If there is no work to be done, then they go to a building in the middle of town and sit there from 8 to 5. I don't get to sit on MY ass all day. Why should they?

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    Before social security, old people without families often starved and froze in the alleys. Literally. Charities rarely managed to prevent this. The issue is that many, if not most people, do not save enough in their working life to allow them to support themselves in old age or disability. Yeah, many were irresponsible. Some just unlucky. Since there is no reliable test to distinguish the deserving from the undeserving, I'm happy with a comprehensive system that ensures that the deserving are taken care of. Fie on the undeserving people taking my tax money, but that's the price I pay to not have to walk past beggars in the street.

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    Not sure the quick connect between tax dollars always defaulting to welfare recipients

    It's only a fraction of and does not justify the tax breaks for the rich---is a good distraction tho

    Lazy Bums!!!---get a job-----soon as we raise money we'll hire people to build a bridge

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    I'm open to spending cuts but while some Rs talk big about cutting spending they always take defense off the table and never touch the third rail of going after entitlements, i.e., SS and Medicare. Never. Discretionary domestic spending, i.e., non-entitlements is bug dust comparatively speaking. What is the EPA's budget, somethinglike $5 billion? One Ford class super carrier is $13 billion and if you add in the air wing it carries (60 F18s and F35s at $60-100 million a piece) and the 5 or so Burke class AEGIS destroyers to escort the Ford carrier at $3 billion a piece you're talking $30 bilion give or take just to own a single carrier strike group, must less operate it. The navy wants to build a Ford carrier every other year to replace the 11 Nimitz carriers we have and the Rs in Congress want 12 carrier strike groups. Plus, we need to replace the 14 Ohio class SSBNs with 12 Columbia class boats at something like 10 billion each. I think we need a strong navy and this is all probably necessary, but we need to raise the revenue to pay for all of this. Since non discretionary non defense spending is off the table the simple fact is there is not huge savings to be had unless you go after SS and Medicare. Good luck with that.

    Bottom line: we can tax and spend or we can borrow and spend. The tax bill represents the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Mt Boy View Post
    I'm open to spending cuts but while some Rs talk big about cutting spending they always take defense off the table and never touch the third rail of going after entitlements, i.e., SS and Medicare. Never. Discretionary domestic spending, i.e., non-entitlements is bug dust competitively speaking. What is the EPA's budget, somethinglike $5 billion? One Ford class super carrier is $13 billion and if you add in the air wing it carries (60 F18s and F35s at $60-100 million a piece) and the 5 or so Burke class AEGIS destroyers to escort the Ford carrier at $3 billion a piece you're talking $30 bilion give or take just to own a single carrier strike group, must less operate it. The navy wants to build a Ford carrier every other year to replace the 11 Nimitz carriers we have and the Rs in Congress want 12 carrier strike groups. Plus, we need to replace the 14 Ohio class SSBNs with 12 Columbia class boats at something like 10 billion each. I think we need a strong navy and this is all probably necessary, but we need to raise the revenue to pay for all of this. Since non discretionary non defense spending is off the table the simple fact is there is not huge savings to be had unless you go after SS and Medicare. Good luck with that.

    Bottom line: we can tax and spend or we can borrow and spend. The tax bill represents the latter.
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    If you guys scroll up, I mentioned something about a military aircraft.

    I don't have any sacred cows. Cut everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushart View Post
    Winner!!!....Take a shot of 12 yr old Scotch outta petty cash
    It's always about happy today....tomorrow be damned
    No, it's about ME taking care of my own tomorrow. All I was ever taught was focusing on my means at retirement age.

    I sacrifice a lot today so I can live comfortably tomorrow. The more taxes I pay, the less I'm able to do that.

    Sucks for the beggars, but the only thing this wealth redistribution commie b.s. serves to do is make us all more equally poor. There are still beggars, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn C. View Post
    Can we please not argue in this thread? At least not until page 4 or Comic chimes in, whichever happens first.
    First off...that's some funny shit right there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn C. View Post
    Can you please explain to me how giving huge tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans and increasing the deficit by $1.5 trillion over the next decade is a good thing? Do you guys own private jets and run hedge funds?
    I honestly don’t understand how middle class people can be so for this tax plan. Help me understand your thinking on this.
    Thanks for any replies.
    1) I'm not a fan of the increased deficit. Not to play politics but I find it funny that the Dems are upset about increasing the deficit and the GOPers are all over it like stink on shit...really....wtf is wrong with everyone?

    2) I'm not sure how this only benefits the rich. From what I can tell and I very well could be wrong is that the vast majority of those paying the vast portion of the taxes (aka 20% of tax payers pay 80% of the taxes) will receive a cut. From what I can tell the vast majority of the 80% paying the remaining 20% will also receive a cut. Now people are upset that a large portion of people who already pay littlet in taxes (both absolute dollars and percentage aren't getting a cut....ummm that's just called math...yes that ought to get people nice and fired up

    3) As someone in the lower upper class or upper middle class...I have no idea what defines that anymore I don't see how on a personal level you wouldn't like it...I will certainly have more money in my wallet

    4) But I am still pissed about the deficit. I am willing see how this plays out in terms of the economic impact....but we need to stop spending like drunken sailors
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn C. View Post
    Can we please not argue in this thread? At least not until page 4 or Comic chimes in, whichever happens first.
    Quote Originally Posted by Buffco View Post
    If you guys scroll up, I mentioned something about a military aircraft.

    I don't have any sacred cows. Cut everything.
    Even as one whose livelihood is the MIC I agree....cuts everywhere...no pork no pet projects...a flat x% cut everywhere.
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