What exactly did Merkel Mean?

MikeAMikeA Senior MemberPosts: 2,574 Senior Member
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At the start of her address, Merkel referenced both world wars in the 20th century, saying that the "political actors involved had almost sleepwalked into a horrendous situation." She said there was a danger that the world had not learned the lessons from history.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/germany-has-difficulties-and-polarization-that-we-havent-seen-for-decades-merkel-tells-davos.html

Maybe she meant that the political actors involved Goose Stepped into a horrendous situation?

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  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,771 Senior Member
    So I saw that movie "darkest hour" last week. Really good movie, but it gave me a lot more sympathy for the appeasers, Halifax and Chamberlain. Its easy in hindsight to say that Churchill was right, but at the time appeasement seemed like an honorable way to avoid another horrendous World War, and Churchill's track record up to that point was spotty.

    Doesn't really answer the question, but its a thought I had.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,574 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    So I saw that movie "darkest hour" last week. Really good movie, but it gave me a lot more sympathy for the appeasers, Halifax and Chamberlain. Its easy in hindsight to say that Churchill was right, but at the time appeasement seemed like an honorable way to avoid another horrendous World War, and Churchill's track record up to that point was spotty.

    Doesn't really answer the question, but its a thought I had.

    On the topic of Churchill. The book I just finished Dead Wake, left a bit of a sour taste about him after he laid all the blame of the sinking of the Lusitania on Capt. Turner. Turner was cleared in like three separate inquires and the blame placed entirely on the German U-boat torpedo.
    There was also a lot of speculation that Churchill and or the admiralty, may have purposefully not sent a Naval escort or at least warning to the Lusitania and used the attack to seek political advantage (draw the US into the war). I’m not sure that holds water. What I do think odd is him placing the blame entirely on Capt. Turner.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    By this?
    At the start of her address, Merkel referenced both world wars in the 20th century, saying that the "political actors involved had almost sleepwalked into a horrendous situation." She said there was a danger that the world had not learned the lessons from history.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/germany-has-difficulties-and-polarization-that-we-havent-seen-for-decades-merkel-tells-davos.html

    Maybe she meant that the political actors involved Goose Stepped into a horrendous situation?

    Her words certainly describe the lead up to WW1, and since WWII is seen by many as a follow up, I suppose its defensible. The sleep walk theme is strong in The Guns Of August. And allowing the ****'s to rearm has its sleepwalking aspect. It is strange and maybe offensive to be lectured by a German, but at some point in time we have to forgive the descendants. its been 72 years since it was over.

    As to her warnings about the present, its hard to see the sides going at it, since the results would be catastrophic, but they might have thought the same in 1913.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,682 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    It is strange and maybe offensive to be lectured by a German, but at some point in time we have to forgive the descendants. its been 72 years since it was over.


    That's why I'm all about Schnitzel...Sauerkraut...Beer and Bavarian Bar Maids---hey I'm the picture of forgiveness:)
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,574 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Her words certainly describe the lead up to WW1, and since WWII is seen by many as a follow up, I suppose its defensible. The sleep walk theme is strong in The Guns Of August. And allowing the ****'s to rearm has its sleepwalking aspect. It is strange and maybe offensive to be lectured by a German, but at some point in time we have to forgive the descendants. its been 72 years since it was over.

    As to her warnings about the present, its hard to see the sides going at it, since the results would be catastrophic, but they might have thought the same in 1913.

    Yea, the Guns of August gave me the impression of a bunch of elitist aristocrats trying to out aristocrat each other.
    I’m not sure however that any nation sleepwalks into a WW though. There’s an aggressor and there’s a defender.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,771 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »

    As to her warnings about the present, its hard to see the sides going at it, since the results would be catastrophic, but they might have thought the same in 1913.

    I don't think so. In 1913, the great powers were getting closer and closer to war, whereas the great powers now are further and further from it. Imagine France and Germany fighting a war now. You can't.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,682 Senior Member
    One may say that France and Germany are the EU
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,966 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    I don't think so. In 1913, the great powers were getting closer and closer to war, whereas the great powers now are further and further from it. Imagine France and Germany fighting a war now. You can't.

    Too literal. She's talking about a trade war with the U.S.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,771 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Too literal. She's talking about a trade war with the U.S.


    Gotcha. That makes sense.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 623 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Her words certainly describe the lead up to WW1, and since WWII is seen by many as a follow up, I suppose its defensible. The sleep walk theme is strong in The Guns Of August. And allowing the ****'s to rearm has its sleepwalking aspect. It is strange and maybe offensive to be lectured by a German, but at some point in time we have to forgive the descendants. its been 72 years since it was over.

    As to her warnings about the present, its hard to see the sides going at it, since the results would be catastrophic, but they might have thought the same in 1913.

    This.

    The assassination of the Austrian crown prince in Sarajevo set in motion an escalating chain of events that could have and should have been nipped in the bud.

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