Is This Really Necessary?

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  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    Well with approx 83 Million more people on this planet this year over last----Leaders better soon come up with an idea on immigration...and finite resources

    Maybe Canada wants all of these immigrants?

    :p
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Or maybe Joe just believes laws should be enforced.

    Bingo!

    .......
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,532 Senior Member
    Maybe Canada wants all of these immigrants?

    :p

    Well Canada took those Syrian refugees that were getting the **** kicked out of them when the US would not---cuz you know---they're the boogeyman
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Or maybe Joe just believes laws should be enforced. That's my takeaway from both Joe and Buford.

    That's the reason as I understand it from my conservative friends as well. If one group gets to pick and choose laws that apply to them, then our laws aren’t laws at all. If our border doesn’t prevent illegal entry, then our border isn’t a border at all. If we have no border and laws that only apply to certain people then exactly what do we have?

    If I were Prez I would come up with an amnesty plan for the people here working and not committing violent crimes. Build the wall. Let the dust settle. Then fire back up the immigration programs based on factual census data.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    That's the reason as I understand it from my conservative friends as well. If one group gets to pick and choose laws that apply to them, then our laws aren’t laws at all. If our border doesn’t prevent illegal entry, then our border isn’t a border at all. If we have no border and laws that only apply to certain people then exactly what do we have?

    If I were Prez I would come up with an amnesty plan for the people here working and not committing violent crimes. Build the wall. Let the dust settle. Then fire back up the immigration programs based on factual census data.

    Totally reasonable except for the physical wall.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    Totally reasonable except for the physical wall.

    Well, ut doesn't have to be physical. It can be all kinds of things. Mandatory E verify, Beefed up border patrol, abolish sanctuary cities, etc. I'm not sure a physical wall was ever a good idea. And who knows when we all might need to run south to evade a Canadian zombie apocalypse.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,912 Senior Member
    Drone strikes?
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Drone strikes?

    On who? Utahns? I'm good with that.
  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 4,548 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Or maybe Joe just believes laws should be enforced. That's my takeaway from both Joe and Buford.

    This. Whether its immigration law, pot laws, gun laws, whatever. Enforce the laws that are on the books. If the laws are **** then congress should change them. But if they exist the excutive branches job is to enforce them.
    “Labor unions are super-PACs. Labor unions are super-PACs Democrats like so we don’t go after labor unions .”
    -Howard Screamin Dean
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    Maybe Joe. But Buford has been **** about immigrants destroying our culture for decades.

    More like immigrants not respecting our laws. There is a procedure in place to legally enter this country. Our immigration laws are ignored by most and seldom enforced. As to destroying our culture?
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    jbilly wrote: »
    This. Whether its immigration law, pot laws, gun laws, whatever. Enforce the laws that are on the books. If the laws are **** then congress should change them. But if they exist the excutive branches job is to enforce them.

    Not a bad idea.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    More like immigrants not respecting our laws. There is a procedure in place to legally enter this country. Our immigration laws are ignored by most and seldom enforced. As to destroying our culture?

    They did enter legally.

    I know you like to conveniently forget all the ugly nasty things you have said here in the past. But those were your words.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    They did enter legally.

    I know you like to conveniently forget all the ugly nasty things you have said here in the past. But those were your words.

    I know, I don't get why wanting my country's laws enforced is such a bad thing now a days but it makes one a racist. They were allowed in on a TEMPORARY basis another misunderstood word.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 613 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    I know, I don't get why wanting my country's laws enforced is such a bad thing now a days but it makes one a racist. They were allowed in on a TEMPORARY basis another misunderstood word.

    In the case of the El Salvadorians--they have been here for some 16-17 years. Given that, IMO the fact they were admitted on a temporary basis is not that significant.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    I know, I don't get why wanting my country's laws enforced is such a bad thing now a days but it makes one a racist. They were allowed in on a TEMPORARY basis another misunderstood word.

    Yeah but you also commented that Mexicans were ruining California. Not illegals, Mexicans.

    Did you know that illegal immigrants also come from Poland and Ireland, are they ruining America?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 8,355 Senior Member

    All that I have read says there are multiple studies showing that first generation immigrants are a modest drain on the economy, the second generation a modest plus and the third generation a major plus contribution. This includes non-European immigrants. So think of immigration as investment for the future.

    BTW - The Latinos picking apples and pears in the many orchards around here apparently were better paid this year because of labor shortages caused by fear of the "Migra", my local paper reports. There were no throngs of unemployed natives lining up to apply for those jobs.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,912 Senior Member
    There are nearly 6 million job openings in the U.S. currently.

    The problem isn't that immigrants take the jobs of relatively low educated Americans, but rather there are Americans that lack even the modicum of education needed to outcompete a poorly educated non-English speaker.

    Meanwhile, every fast-food restaurant in the state of Iowa is desperately advertising for workers at $12 an hour.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    Yeah but you also commented that Mexicans were ruining California. Not illegals, Mexicans.

    Did you know that illegal immigrants also come from Poland and Ireland, are they ruining America?

    That would have been Illegals the problem is much bigger than illegal immigrants from Mexico.
    As I have said before I don't care who immigrates to this country as long as it's Legal it's ILLEGAL immigration I have a problem with. You always seem to ignore the ILLEGAL part of immigration. How are the Mexicans, Polish, and Irish ruining this country if they are here LEGALLY there's that word again.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    There are nearly 6 million job openings in the U.S. currently.

    The problem isn't that immigrants take the jobs of relatively low educated Americans, but rather there are Americans that lack even the modicum of education needed to outcompete a poorly educated non-English speaker.

    Meanwhile, every fast-food restaurant in the state of Iowa is desperately advertising for workers at $12 an hour.

    I'm guessing that's pretty much everywhere. Pennsylvania has hiring signs everywhere I was surprised at the amount.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    That would have been Illegals the problem is much bigger than illegal immigrants from Mexico.
    As I have said before I don't care who immigrates to this country as long as it's Legal it's ILLEGAL immigration I have a problem with. You always seem to ignore the ILLEGAL part of immigration. How are the Mexicans, Polish, and Irish ruining this country if they are here LEGALLY there's that word again.

    That is what you are saying now. That is not what you have always said.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    That is what you are saying now. That is not what you have always said.

    That is what I have always said but we have the world according to Chris. Arguing is futile.

    Goodnight.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 613 Senior Member
    Trump derides protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html?utm_term=.38cff00ae653

    The things that comes out of the President's mouth never cease to amaze me.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    Trump derides protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html?utm_term=.38cff00ae653

    The things that comes out of the President's mouth never cease to amaze me.

    So much winning.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    Well he is correct they are not leaving because of their wonderful life.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 613 Senior Member
    I would think he'd recognize and applaud the fact that people from these countries who come here and want to stay had and have the gumption to want to improve their lives.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,622 Senior Member
    The "shithole" comment doesn't bother me, since plenty of places are shitholes, but why we wouldn't take immigrants from those places makes the statement a problem. And of course its compounded by Trump saying he wants more immigrants from Norway and whatnot. So its fairly clear what he's getting at.

    Anyway, this guy was an immigrant from a shithole. May he rest in peace.

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/us/emmanuel-mensah-bronx-fire-trump/index.html
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,622 Senior Member
    And I just remembered that I have two cousins from that "shithole" Haiti. I'm grateful to their adopted mom (my wife's aunt) for bringing them here. Both are productive, decent citizens. Neither of them could pass for Norwegians.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    Just when you're hoping he's gonna pull through, he goes and does something so asinine it defies belief.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    I want to hear him saying that myself.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
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