Pres. Winfrey...

breamfisherbreamfisher Senior MemberPosts: 4,218 Senior Member
...say she gets elected.

I just gotta ask: who's going to be Surgeon General: Jenny McCarthy or Dr. Oz?

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  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 8,355 Senior Member
    Could she remotely possibly be worse than the incumbent?
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,218 Senior Member
    Oprah or Jenny McCarthy?
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,532 Senior Member
    C'Mon BF.......Dr. Phil

    Now...How does that make you feel??
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,532 Senior Member
    In all seriousness...I hope she does'nt run

    One game show host in a lifetime is quite enough----she is only qualified slightly more than the current..."really smart guy---some people may say genius"

    Leader is not a high school/Access Hollywood popularity contest

    You may want someone who knows politics---is versed in history and the constitution---educated in modern challenges (Economy/Climate/global issues)

    You had that guy the last time but partisan politics kept telling you he was wrong...because they don't want you to form your own opinions

    I admire Oprah for her accomplishments...But they are not qualifying----and I believe would dive into uber ideology

    The future leaders are in for it--worldwide----choose wisely
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    In all seriousness...I hope she does'nt run

    One game show host in a lifetime is quite enough----she is only qualified slightly more than the current..."really smart guy---some people may say genius"

    I admire Oprah for her accomplishments...But they are not qualifying.

    Yep. Totally agree with this.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 613 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    In all seriousness...I hope she does'nt run

    Same here.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »

    Leader is not a high school/Access Hollywood popularity contest

    Ha! Where have you been the past few years? That's exactly what it is these days.


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  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,846 Senior Member
    yep, here's the thing about the "career politician" tag.......people tend to continue to do what they are good at.....not all, but many

    i want someone with experience in public service, and experience in politics


    we've had our experiment with the "outsider" elitist getting elected on Q rating and not actual substance and experience, and we're all just trying to survive the next 3 years


    how many of these types have been successful? Arnold as governor of CA? highly debatable.... Jesse Ventura? don't think so? Franken by all accounts was a solid Senator who was derailed, obviously......
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  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,532 Senior Member
    tim_s wrote: »
    yep, here's the thing about the "career politician" tag.......people tend to continue to do what they are good at.....not all, but many

    i want someone with experience in public service, and experience in politics


    we've had our experiment with the "outsider" elitist getting elected on Q rating and not actual substance and experience, and we're all just trying to survive the next 3 years


    how many of these types have been successful? Arnold as governor of CA? highly debatable.... Jesse Ventura? don't think so? Franken by all accounts was a solid Senator who was derailed, obviously......

    At the very least Regan did Gov before Prez
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    Maybe Harvey?

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  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,846 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    At the very least Regan did Gov before Prez


    this

    and hell, it's debatable that even actually did the president part
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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    George K wrote: »
    Could she remotely possibly be worse than the incumbent?

    That is a pretty low bar to set.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    That is a pretty low bar to set.

    Yea, it's so bad. Record low unemployment. Record high DOW. Home ownership up. Consumer confidence up. Tax reform. GDP at 3%. Pulled out of TPP. Manufacturing jobs moving back to the US. FINALLY declared the biggest killer of Americans as an emergency health crisis!! It's so bad!
  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,846 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Yea, it's so bad. Record low unemployment. Record high DOW. Home ownership up. Consumer confidence up. Tax reform. GDP at 3%. Pulled out of TPP. Manufacturing jobs moving back to the US. FINALLY declared the biggest killer of Americans as an emergency health crisis!! It's so bad!



    please show how the current POTUS has had anything to do with the first 3......

    and talk to me in 5-10 years as to how well this tax "reform" works for a) the average american and b) the nation overall



    job growth is part of a multi-year trend (started way back in '10) as we pulled out of the last recession......in fact 2017 job growth lags behind 5 of the last 7 years

    unemployment has been steadily declining since '11.....the market has been steadily growing since '10

    similar points can be made in terms of GDP



    basically what we are seeing is continued effects of the recovery put in place over the last 8 years......i don't care what trump tweets and what sanders grunts out, there's little evidence any trump "policy" has had any real effect on much of anything
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  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,846 Senior Member
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  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    tim_s wrote: »
    please show how the current POTUS has had anything to do with the first 3......

    and talk to me in 5-10 years as to how well this tax "reform" works for a) the average american and b) the nation overall



    job growth is part of a multi-year trend (started way back in '10) as we pulled out of the last recession......in fact 2017 job growth lags behind 5 of the last 7 years

    unemployment has been steadily declining since '11.....the market has been steadily growing since '10

    similar points can be made in terms of GDP



    basically what we are seeing is continued effects of the recovery put in place over the last 8 years......i don't care what trump tweets and what sanders grunts out, there's little evidence any trump "policy" has had any real effect on much of anything

    Oh, I see how this works. Had all these great achievements tanked (as was predicted by every major media outlet and political pundit) it would have been 100% Trump and the Trump voters Fault. However, since none of the gloom and doom that we were all being brain F-ed into believing, materialized.. Well,, now spin it so that everything good that happens is Obama’s doing, and anything negative is Trump. I’ll have my opinion on the state of things and who’s responsible and you have yours. I was never so blind as to ignore the positive changes brought on by the last admin even though I was opposed to him on many levels.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,912 Senior Member
    The interesting thing about job growth is that we just may not have enough people to fill jobs.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    The interesting thing about job growth is that we just may not have enough people to fill jobs.

    Entitlement reform.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,912 Senior Member
    It may be doubtful that those people can fill the jobs where we're seeing growth.

    Meanwhile, the President says he can beat Oprah, so I'd write her off.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    It may be doubtful that those people can fill the jobs where we're seeing growth.

    Meanwhile, the President says he can beat Oprah, so I'd write her off.

    Has he given her a name yet? Nopra?
    Edit to add that I actually like Opra. She's a Nashville girl that made it through some tough times I'm sure. I haven’t watched her or her network in over 10 years and I don’t know about her political beliefs. I prefer to keep it that way.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    No Mike but I’m anxiously awaiting that. He does have a gift in that arena. I like “Sloppy Steve.” Not his best work, but still pretty solid. He cannot ever hope to achieve the heights of “Li’l Marco” again, but I still love the nicknames. I mean, you gotta have something to laugh at while Rome burns, right? ;)
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Yea, it's so bad. Record low unemployment. Record high DOW. Home ownership up. Consumer confidence up. Tax reform. GDP at 3%. Pulled out of TPP. Manufacturing jobs moving back to the US. FINALLY declared the biggest killer of Americans as an emergency health crisis!! It's so bad!


    For as much as we in the left **** about this guy, the one defining trait of his term thus far is a lack of concrete accomplishments. He hasn’t done much of anything other than golf and live-tweet cable news shows. So to give him any credit for real accomplishments (other than Gorsuch, trade isolationism & climate change policy reversal) is not an actual portrayal. And please don’t cite the tax cuts for the donor class. He did nothing except sign the damned thing. Now if you want to talk about unquantifiable achievements such as saber rattling and damaging our international reputation then we can have that discussion.

    As Sherb, George and I have stated, Trump would be incredibly frightening if he and his administration had a modicum of competence.
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 8,355 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Oh, I see how this works. Had all these great achievements tanked (as was predicted by every major media outlet and political pundit) it would have been 100% Trump and the Trump voters Fault. However, since none of the gloom and doom that we were all being brain F-ed into believing, materialized.. Well,, now spin it so that everything good that happens is Obama’s doing, and anything negative is Trump. I’ll have my opinion on the state of things and who’s responsible and you have yours. I was never so blind as to ignore the positive changes brought on by the last admin even though I was opposed to him on many levels.

    If you've followed these discussions over the years it's been pointed out many times by folks of all political-economic persuasions that economic policy takes years to have real effect. What we're seeing now in the actual economy is the lagging effects of Obama's stimulus package and the natural recovery from the collapse of 2008, both of which began to show results around 2010. Fewer jobs were created in 2017 than in any year since 2010 according to yesterday's news.

    It will be two or three years before we actually see the results of Trumps policies out in the real world. The exuberance on Wall St. may be a more immediate result of his promises to roll back regulations and the business tax cuts, but don't be surprised if there is a major correction in 2018 or 2019. A growing economy and booming stock market is good for all of us, I hope the upward trends continue - but I'm not betting the farm on it.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,912 Senior Member
    Nah.

    I'd argue what we're seeing is the continuing effects of Helicopter Ben Bernanke and his clone, Janet Yellen. Interest rates are still at very stimulative levels.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    George,
    Along these same lines are the people who blamed the 2008 housing/banking collapse in Obama so at least they are consistent. ;)
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Yea, it's so bad. Record low unemployment. Record high DOW. Home ownership up. Consumer confidence up. GDP at 3%.

    All of this was true last year when you were calling Obama a lying POS.

    BTW no manufacturing jobs have returned in great numbers and Carrier going still.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,533 Senior Member
    All of Obama accomplishment is belong to Trump now. So go suck an egg yous guys.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.

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