If Rubio gets this child tax credit thing done

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  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Perhaps these polls and surveys aren't as indicative of Americans opinion as they would have us believe. Surely the last election thought us that these polls can be waaay off. I’m done caring what they (polls and surveys) say anymore personally. This tax break is one of the big campaign promises that Trump ran on. Why would all of his supporters find it unpopular all of sudden? Fake news. :)

    Trump/Clinton polls were so off for one very simple reason. People, when confronted, where embarrassed to admit they intended to vote for Trump. They were so embarrassed that they would not even make their intentions know to a total stranger. This is not complicated. Nor was it the end of the validity of polls.
    Examples in The Lodge are that, to this day, neither Joe K. nor Swizz will even admit to voting for that clown.

    You also allude to "all of his supporters." Ask yourself what percentage of the populace that is. Therein lies your answer.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    Lol Shawn. I already mentioned once before I voted Gary Johnson.

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  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,298 Senior Member
    Steven, While you are trying to wrap your head around what a progressive idea of governance should be, make sure to sell you car for a horse and and start cooking over an open hearth for the full-on 1787 experience.
    Originalism is so trite.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,533 Senior Member
    Dude, I didn't even vote. Didn't like either choice. Unless the democrats or independents put forth a great candidate with a strong economic plan, I WILL vote for Trump next time around. For the record, I have never voted R for president. Obama twice and regret that. The left has nothing to offer at this point except resentment and resistance. Just doesn't work for me. I can't see them winning me back.
    All of your Trout are belong to me.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    What expenses are you expecting to increase?




    Still conjecture because you don't know what a future congress may do.

    I've gone thru life pretending that SS won't be there for me when I'm ready. You might want to plan the same way.

    They already have told us for the past 30 years what they would do.

    https://psmag.com/economics/trickle-down-economics-is-indeed-a-joke

    https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1600010973367689/
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  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 4,551 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    Trump/Clinton polls were so off for one very simple reason. People, when confronted, where embarrassed to admit they intended to vote for Trump. They were so embarrassed that they would not even make their intentions know to a total stranger. This is not complicated. Nor was it the end of the validity of polls.
    Examples in The Lodge are that, to this day, neither Joe K. nor Swizz will even admit to voting for that clown.

    You also allude to "all of his supporters." Ask yourself what percentage of the populace that is. Therein lies your answer.

    I think I might be one of, if not the only one here who has admitted to voting for him. He's pissed me off plenty of times no doubt, but I'm still ok with the way I voted and would do so again.
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,799 Senior Member
    jbilly wrote: »
    I think I might be one of, if not the only one here who has admitted to voting for him. He's pissed me off plenty of times no doubt, but I'm still ok with the way I voted and would do so again.

    Several have admitted to voting for Trump. Why people think this was a bad thing is beyond me the alternative was Horrible.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie just look at the flowers.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,462 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Several have admitted to voting for Trump. Why people think this was a bad thing is beyond me the alternative was Horrible.
    Because the one eyed monster said he's a bad man. I'm sick of seeing great men slaughtered at the media alter because they're republican. This guy was exactly what the party needed. Somebody unafraid to take on the corrupt media/establishment (hard to tell the difference between the two now) and the PC warriors. Couldn't be happier with my choice.
  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 4,551 Senior Member
    Trickle down is a myth. It clearly has never happened and is total BS

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/454966/nancy-pelosis-armageddon-warning-comes-true-companies-announce-bonuses-raises


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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    From what I understand they get a better deduction for bonuses paid this year than they will when they pay them next year. So far no one announced any hiring. What were their bonuses last year?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,628 Senior Member

    you know how you are always on me about source material? This bumbling socialist is not a reliable source of anything but his own grandiosity.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 613 Senior Member
    Well, how about one of the architects of the Reagan tax cuts, David Stockman, as a source.

    https://thinkprogress.org/david-stockman-bombshell-how-my-republican-party-destroyed-the-american-economy-4745d7ebca5d/
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,628 Senior Member
    I read Stockman's book back in the day. The problem was that Reagan was a softie who wouldn't do the necessary work of cutting the budget. According to Stockman, anyway.

    Stockman found out the hard way that there is no "starving the beast." The tax cuts happen or they don't, but the federal budget doesn't get cut.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 613 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    I read Stockman's book back in the day. The problem was that Reagan was a softie who wouldn't do the necessary work of cutting the budget. According to Stockman, anyway.

    Stockman found out the hard way that there is no "starving the beast." The tax cuts happen or they don't, but the federal budget doesn't get cut.

    That's the thing--I don't care which party controls the Presidency and/or Congress. The budget doesn't get cut. End of discussion. Period. That being so, and since trickle down economics doesn't work, why balloon the deficit with tax cuts?
  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 4,551 Senior Member
    No idea what its like in Utah but around here you can't turn your head without seeing a help wanted/now hiring sign. If people actually want to work there are lots of jobs out there.

    Here are some article on places that are hiring:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/employment-trends/2017/12/26/job-opportunities-10-companies-hiring-thousands-2018/982616001/

    https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/companies-hiring-thousands-2018/
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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    sherb wrote: »
    you know how you are always on me about source material? This bumbling socialist is not a reliable source of anything but his own grandiosity.

    Can you tell me where it was wrong?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    jbilly wrote: »
    No idea what its like in Utah but around here you can't turn your head without seeing a help wanted/now hiring sign. If people actually want to work there are lots of jobs out there.

    Here are some article on places that are hiring:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/employment-trends/2017/12/26/job-opportunities-10-companies-hiring-thousands-2018/982616001/

    https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/companies-hiring-thousands-2018/

    And all that was happening before the tax cuts.

    The unemployment rate in Utah went below 4% under Obama.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    Are you waving goodbye to the individual mandate yet? I know my in-laws are.

    The White House believes most Americans will begin seeing higher paychecks in February, once employers have adjusted the amount of money that is withheld from paychecks.

    SAAAAAAWEEEEET!!!!


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gop-tax-bill-passes-congress-as-trump-prepares-to-sign-it-into-law/2017/12/20/0ba2fd98-e597-11e7-9ec2-518810e7d44d_story.html?utm_term=.2a05dee7bc98

    So should they go to the emergency room, who is going to pay and how are they going to pay it?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    jbilly wrote: »
    No idea what its like in Utah but around here you can't turn your head without seeing a help wanted/now hiring sign. If people actually want to work there are lots of jobs out there.

    Here are some article on places that are hiring:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/employment-trends/2017/12/26/job-opportunities-10-companies-hiring-thousands-2018/982616001/

    https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/companies-hiring-thousands-2018/

    OMG those are ads for an employment site.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,912 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    Steven, While you are trying to wrap your head around what a progressive idea of governance should be, make sure to sell you car for a horse and and start cooking over an open hearth for the full-on 1787 experience.
    Originalism is so trite.

    This is truly inane. There's just no more to be said.
  • rhumblinerhumbline Senior Member Posts: 154 Senior Member
    So should they go to the emergency room, who is going to pay and how are they going to pay it?

    The people who pay this penalty for not having insurance generally have family income between $25-50k per year. Do you really think people in that range are CHOOSING not to buy family coverage that would cost a third of their income for a $14,300 deductible? If so, I understand your attitude of "slam the deadbeats with a penalty!" If, on the other hand, this family is making a rational choice to use the income they would have otherwise paid for insurance to pay for healthcare that they would be paying for anyway because of the deductibles, then slamming them with a penalty just adds to their problems.

    The number of people who can afford to pay for insurance and don't is small, and the penalty is so poorly designed that any of them who pay a good tax preparer can avoid it anyway.
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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    The cost his in-laws were paying was quite reasonable, they just didn't want to pay it. BTW that is what I make and I pay insurance. Also in states that expanded Medicaid people making that little get insurance for free. In California my insurance would have been $60 per month for a silver plan.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    The cost his in-laws were paying was quite reasonable, they just didn't want to pay it. BTW that is what I make and I pay insurance. Also in states that expanded Medicaid people making that little get insurance for free. In California my insurance would have been $60 per month for a silver plan.

    My in-laws were paying over $500/month for insurance with a $6000 deductible. But then here's the kicker...when your income changes you're suppose to call in on this 1-800 number to report income changes...which my mother-in-law did every month...and then they are supposed to adjust the subsidy. Then come tax time last year and the gubment all of sudden has no record of her calling in and they are socked with a $10,000 tax bill and don't have that kind of money laying around. They ended up having to take out an unsecured loan to pay it back.

    Quite reasonable? Ha ha ha!!
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    At the time you posted it was $125 a month. So if you do not think they need to pay for insurance and you think that they should not have to pay for their medical costs (my mother would have owed almost a million dollars without Medicaid and Medicare), then you must believe in single payer. Which would mean Trump is not your guy. I pay almost $400 for my work insurance, but I guess I believe in personal responsibility.

    So again I ask if they need to go to the emergency room, who pays?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,628 Senior Member
    Did anyone happen to notice that Rhumbline made an appearance?

    Nice to see you again.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,201 Senior Member
    The bait was strong in this thread.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,912 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    I honestly don’t understand how middle class people can be so for this tax plan. Help me understand your thinking on this.
    Thanks for any replies.

    Walmart to raise its starting wage to $11, give some employees bonuses following tax bill passage



    •Walmart is increasing its starting wage rate for hourly employees in the U.S. to $11, following the passage of new tax legislation.
    •The company said it will also expand maternity and parental leave benefits, and provide a one-time cash bonus for eligible employees of as much as $1,000.
    •Walmart said it's still accessing other "potential additional investments" that could come after the new tax laws.

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