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  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 7,643 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Trump says he’ll move the Embassy to Jerusalem and suddenly Christians are trying to start Armageddon . Seriously? Hypocrisy much?

    Nobody said all Christians. Most aren't trying to hasten it.
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 9,571 Senior Member
    The fact that people have been murdered (it is not millions, but yes, a lot of people) in the name of "this ideology" does not mean that Islam is inherently about murdering and violence. The vast majority of Muslims are not murderers. Yes, there are Islamic terrorists, but that does not mean all Muslims are terrorists.

    I do not know what the Christian fundamentalists are up to. As far as I am concerned they are not living in the real world. But, I don't care--whatever floats their boat is fine as long as they don't try to cram it down on me (like Roy Moore does). To each his own, live and let live, etc...

    I don't think sticking a stick in the eye of the Palestinians/Arabs is all that helpful to US interests.
    They (Muslims) ain't denouncing it (terrorism), either.

    What are Christian fundamentalists up to? Why, starting Armageddon of course. Right after the fried chicken dinner.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,676 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    So,, entire nations fall because of Islamic State, Taliban, Al-Queda, Boko Haram, etc, etc, all tied to Islam. Millions of people murdered across the world and in the US, 911, in the name of this ideology, but that’s just radicals and nothing to do with the religion.

    Trump says he’ll move the Embassy to Jerusalem and suddenly Christians are trying to start Armageddon . Seriously? Hypocrisy much?

    Not all Christians...think the Pope thinks moving embassy is a bad idea---and yes those islamic extremists do not get a pass either
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,676 Senior Member
    The issue here is Jerusalem has changed hands so many times that many lay claim to it

    Again politics and borders aside---it is a religious symbol to several groups---To just circumvent a process and Give it to Israel just because is wrong ---period

    But Trump apparently has been bought and paid for----time to cash in
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,345 Senior Member
    FishTX wrote: »
    Nobody said all Christians. Most aren't trying to hasten it.

    True enough but American evangelicals give Christianity a really, really bad name. I wonder if there are large, politicized groups of crazy Christians in other countries? Are the German neo-**** fervently Christian?

    Mike A,
    No hypocrisy here. All people of any religion who believe in their religious texts in a literal sense are a threat to peace and the advancement of the human race. People are incorrect when they say money is the root of all evil.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,345 Senior Member
    I have read that Tillerson was against this. I expect he will be out very soon. Even though I was against his appointment I think he has done a good job. God knows who we're going to get next.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,676 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    True enough but American evangelicals give Christianity a really, really bad name. I wonder if there are large, politicized groups of crazy Christians in other countries? Are the German neo-**** fervently Christian?

    Mike A,
    No hypocrisy here. All people of any religion who believe in their religious texts in a literal sense are a threat to peace and the advancement of the human race. People are incorrect when they say money is the root of all evil.

    All respect Shawn
    Take someone you consider a close friend
    start a business proposition
    Say that you'll split everything 50/50
    Stipulate you'll both put forth equal effort
    get back to me
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,345 Senior Member
    Yeah, I see your point. Maybe money is just the root of a tremendously large percentage of all evil?

    I am anything but a fervent capitalist. I'm not a socialist either but capitalism pretty much sucks too.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Ignoring the fact that there's never, ever been a Palestinian nation.


    Thanks for proving my point. If you will not recognize the Palestinian people's right to exist, how can you demand they recognize Israel? So if there is no two state solution (which if Bibi and Trump were honest, they would admit they do not want that.) then what other end game is there?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    FishTX wrote: »
    I believe his evangelical advisor said moving the Embassy is a good idea, because Christians have a strong tie to Jews. And I don't get the idea of speeding us towards Armageddon. If they read the Bible, it says that nobody knows when Jesus returns. Speeding up the coming of Armageddon in effect would be humans trying alter God's schedule. Seems counter to Christian belief. Also it is counter to the most important lessons of the Bible. Love and peace.

    Pretty sure the non-Christian world doesn't want a war forced on them, because of some other group's beliefs.

    Many Evangelicals believe that the rededication of the Temple in Jerusalem is pivotal to bring about the prophesies of Revelations.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    Buffco wrote: »
    They (Muslims) ain't denouncing it (terrorism), either.

    Actually that is not true. More Muslims are dying to fight terrorism than Christians.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    So,, entire nations fall because of Islamic State, Taliban, Al-Queda, Boko Haram, etc, etc, all tied to Islam.

    Which nations would those be?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »

    Can you name me anything since Iraqi invasion the Heritage Foundation has been correct about?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    Not all Christians...think the Pope thinks moving embassy is a bad idea---and yes those islamic extremists do not get a pass either

    Moving the Embassy actually strengthens the position that America is in a holy war with Islam. In fact there is not a single utterance coming from Donald Trump's mouth or twitter feed that dissuades it.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 8,459 Senior Member
    How did my comments about "Trump's extreme evangelical supporters" first morph into "fundamentalists" and then into plain old "Christians"? Perhaps the Trumpsters among us are adopting Trump's methods - lie, exaggerate and distort often enough and the stupid and gullible among us start to believe it.
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • magallowaymagalloway Senior Member Posts: 832 Senior Member
    George K wrote: »
    How did my comments about "Trump's extreme evangelical supporters" first morph into "fundamentalists" and then into plain old "Christians"? Perhaps the Trumpsters among us are adopting Trump's methods - lie, exaggerate and distort often enough and the stupid and gullible among us start to believe it.

    I'll admit to being seventy-one years old and that I haven't sat through a Southern Baptist sermon (only a pair of elegies for my parents) since I was roughly twenty-three, but I can remember Sunday night after Sunday night listening to 'Teachings' about The books of Daniel and Revelations which almost invariably led to the Last Days. I suppose that from the standpoint of being fundamentalists, the Southern Baptists stand pretty squarely at mid ground, and I further can't imagine their message's getting toned down in the past forty-fifty years. If you want to listen to the real winners, tune in a few of the televangelists or, even more entertaining, the radio evangelists on the AM dial. There literally is a sizeable group out there who believe that true Christians should be doing whatever they can to bring on the End Times, no matter what Jesus taught about timing. Maybe that's why I became an ELCA Lutheran about forty years ago.

    Jim
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,345 Senior Member
    IN CASE OF RAPTURE THIS CAR WILL BE UNOCCUPIED!

    Yeah, well, you're driving like its unoccupied now.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,965 Senior Member
    Thanks for proving my point. If you will not recognize the Palestinian people's right to exist, how can you demand they recognize Israel? So if there is no two state solution (which if Bibi and Trump were honest, they would admit they do not want that.) then what other end game is there?

    Nope. You can't do it.

    Pointing out the unambiguous historical fact that a Palestinian nation has never existed doesn't equal the unwillingness for the Palestinians to have a country of their own (or my desire to wipe out their existence). The Basques have never had a nation either. Neither have the Kurds (I think). That they haven't doesn't mean I'm on the side of Spain or Iraq/Turkey.

    Anyway, I already stated I support a two-state solution, so clearly I recognize the Palestinian people's right to exist, both literally and figuratively.

    I doubt Trump really gives a **** whether there's a one-state or two-state solution. He just wants to go down in history as the guy who made the deal.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,965 Senior Member
    Can you name me anything since Iraqi invasion the Heritage Foundation has been correct about?

    You mean like the disaster that's the ACA? That took me about 5 seconds.

    LOL.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,965 Senior Member
    Bushart wrote: »
    The issue here is Jerusalem has changed hands so many times that many lay claim to it

    Again politics and borders aside---it is a religious symbol to several groups---To just circumvent a process and Give it to Israel just because is wrong ---period

    But Trump apparently has been bought and paid for----time to cash in

    Once again... Trump isn't giving Jerusalem to Israel. West Jerusalem was won in a war started by Arab nations who vowed to push the Jews into the sea. The Israelis were willing to abide by the original U.N. demarcation lines which had Jerusalem surrounded by a Palestinian nation and supposedly administered by the U.N. (e.g. enlightened Europeans).

    East Jerusalem was won by Israel in the Six Day War.

    Trump is recognizing the reality on the ground.

    Bushart wrote: »
    But Trump apparently has been bought and paid for----time to cash in

    Time to put down your copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,547 Senior Member
    You're missing the mark Steven. This isn't a Jew thing, it's a Trump thing. Please let the experts here complete their evaluation.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,251 Senior Member
    magalloway wrote: »
    I'll admit to being seventy-one years old and that I haven't sat through a Southern Baptist sermon (only a pair of elegies for my parents) since I was roughly twenty-three, but I can remember Sunday night after Sunday night listening to 'Teachings' about The books of Daniel and Revelations which almost invariably led to the Last Days. I suppose that from the standpoint of being fundamentalists, the Southern Baptists stand pretty squarely at mid ground, and I further can't imagine their message's getting toned down in the past forty-fifty years. If you want to listen to the real winners, tune in a few of the televangelists or, even more entertaining, the radio evangelists on the AM dial. There literally is a sizeable group out there who believe that true Christians should be doing whatever they can to bring on the End Times, no matter what Jesus taught about timing. Maybe that's why I became an ELCA Lutheran about forty years ago.

    Jim
    Been a Southern Baptist for quite some time, and while I have heard the aforementioned sermons about the Last Days, it's only been by pastors who have now left the mortal plane. The Sunday School literature and sermons about Revelation and Daniel I've seen that have focused on those scriptures as generally doing one or both of the following:
    1. Encouraging the hearers to continue to evangelize so that all may be saved. But they're not using salvation as fire insurance, but rather a life change to a better lifestyle.
    2. Showing the ultimate sovereignty of God in world events.

    Now that being said, I just came back from a meeting yesterday at another office, and along the way I could only get a few (FM!) radio pastors during one stretch of road. They were DEFINITELY postulating that the recognition of Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel was going to bring about the end times, as it was solidifying the establishment of a "true Israel" and would bring about the actions of Russia (as the land of Magog spoken of in Ezekiel 38 and 39) bringing together Iran and Turkey to go against Israel and its allies (the US, notably. Because the Bible is all about God's relationship with America.)

    It was painful.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,251 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    People are incorrect when they say money is the root of all evil.
    True. The Bible, a religious text, says it's the LOVE of money that's the root of ALL KINDS of evil.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,965 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    You're missing the mark Steven. This isn't a Jew thing, it's a Trump thing. Please let the experts here complete their evaluation.

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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    You mean like the disaster that's the ACA? That took me about 5 seconds.

    LOL.

    No I mean their cheerleading the lead up to Iraq. So we can't call them foreign policy experts now can we? But the ACA has been sabotaged by conservatives since the beginning.

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/policy-dose/articles/2017-05-30/republicans-raised-your-health-care-premiums-not-obamacare?src=usn_tw
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,335 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Nope. You can't do it.

    Pointing out the unambiguous historical fact that a Palestinian nation has never existed doesn't equal the unwillingness for the Palestinians to have a country of their own (or my desire to wipe out their existence). The Basques have never had a nation either. Neither have the Kurds (I think). That they haven't doesn't mean I'm on the side of Spain or Iraq/Turkey.

    Anyway, I already stated I support a two-state solution, so clearly I recognize the Palestinian people's right to exist, both literally and figuratively.

    I doubt Trump really gives a **** whether there's a one-state or two-state solution. He just wants to go down in history as the guy who made the deal.

    The Israeli nation hadn't existed of over a thousand years. So that claim is just as specious.

    Trump and Bibi do not recognize the Palestinian People's right to exist and based on your comments, I don't think in your heart you do either.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 621 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    You mean like the disaster that's the ACA? That took me about 5 seconds.

    LOL.

    That is rich, since a pillar of the ACA, the individual mandate, was conceived at the Heritage Foundation,

    https://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/heritage-rewrites-history-1383157826
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,965 Senior Member
    No I mean their cheerleading the lead up to Iraq. So we can't call them foreign policy experts now can we? But the ACA has been sabotaged by conservatives since the beginning.

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/policy-dose/articles/2017-05-30/republicans-raised-your-health-care-premiums-not-obamacare?src=usn_tw

    You said since Iraq. Nevertheless, forecasting the disaster that became the Arab Spring comes to mind.

    Maybe when Joe comes back from mourning, but the ACA wasn't sabotaged by conservatives, it wasn't bailed out by conservatives.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,965 Senior Member
    That is rich, since a pillar of the ACA, the individual mandate, was conceived at the Heritage Foundation,

    https://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/heritage-rewrites-history-1383157826

    The individual mandate, while unconstitutional in my not so learned opinion, isn't what's wrong with Obamacare.

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