So If Obama was Weak on This?--Now Batting..

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  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    It's being reported that the Pentagon has come to the conclusion that the Russians were definitely aware of the gas attack in advance.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    I do want to know, why in the world would Assad have done this? 1. Did it advance his war against rebels, (the children are to young to fight, and if the adults could be intimidated they would have stopped already) 2. he could not hide the use of these weapons, and he would know he would be blamed for it. 3. he could have anticipated the facilities would be destroyed, again, whats the benefit to that?

    I guess all that can be said is that if Assad was rational, he wouldn't be in the situation he's in. He would be sunning himself on his Black Sea yacht by now.

    Maybe it wasn't the Russkis making their surrogate Trump look good, but its such a great altnews story.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    Two theories have surfaced:

    1) Assad is petrified that the rapprochement between Putin and Trump could have led to some kind of forced deal. Assad used chemicals to show he wasn't Russia's puppet.

    2) Assad realizes that Syria is done as we know it and he will only be able to hold on to a relatively small western enclave. He wants to use chemical attacks to depopulate areas along the borders of the area he thinks he can hold.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    well. . .that's at least rational, from his perspective if no one else's.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 7,613 Senior Member
    Under the circumstances I think the missile strike was appropriate.

    I don't know about that. Depends on what it accomplished and if it works to advantage of peace later on. I don't know that Trump considered what is the next step and what are the possible outcomes including more problems for everybody. I'd hope some of the people around him brought this up, but if they did bring it up, did Trump pay attention?
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    See the thing is, it looks more irrational in hindsight then it does at the time, because literally everything Trump said about Syria prior to the gassing was about us staying out of it. So in that sense, I can see how Assad thought he would get away with it. He got away with it with Obama. What complicates this theory of course is that Trump is famously erratic and not prone to staying the course. Its possible Assad just believed him.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    My writing has really gone to ****. The perils of a supervisory job.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    And now this report:
    AP WASHINGTON — The United States has concluded Russia knew in advance of Syria's chemical weapons attack last week, a senior U.S. official said Monday.
    The official said a drone operated by Russians was flying over a hospital as victims of the attack were rushing to get treatment. Hours after the drone left, a Russian-made fighter jet bombed the hospital in what American officials believe was an attempt to cover up the usage of chemical weapons.
    The official said the presence of the surveillance drone over the hospital couldn't have been a coincidence, and that Russia must have known the chemical weapons attack was coming and that victims were seeking treatment. The official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly on intelligence matters and demanded anonymity, didn't give precise timing for when the drone was above the northern Syrian town of Khan Sheikhtoun, where more than 80 people were killed. He also didn't provide all the details for the military and intelligence information that form the basis of what he said the Pentagon has now concluded.
    The allegation is grave, even by the standards of the currently dismal U.S.-Russian relations.

    They bombed the Hospital??? I guess that would be the Syrian AF. But could it be a Russian AF jet?
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    So Nikki Haley says the Trump Admin is not interested in regime change, and the very next day Assad does the one thing that would make us interested?

    That's really crazy.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    Perhaps the problem is people on all sides forget that all Trump cares about is how he looks in tomorrows headlines. He has no idea of an actual policy about regime change or interventions. So if there is a obscure similar attack in central Africa, he will ignore it without any thought to policy.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Perhaps the problem is people on all sides forget that all Trump cares about is how he looks in tomorrows headlines.

    That makes him more dangerous rather than less to Assad, since everybody who's anybody in Washington eats up these "show of force" dog-and-pony shows. Trump has (inadvertently) figured out how to dominate the news cycle and generate positive coverage. Assad should take heed.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 4,226 Senior Member
    I came across an AM radio broadcast this afternoon on my way home from work. Wish I could have gotten better reception, but it was going in and out. Anyway, the talking head was saying that the reasons for this attack - which he was against - was that Pres. Trump has unwisely removed Steve Bannon, ultra-nationalist, who would have advocated pre-WWII noninterventionist policies, with military actions only occurring if the US was attacked. Instead the D.C. power base was replaced by NY state liberals who advocate interventionist policies and rampant military actions abroad.

    In essence, if you're against this attack you're a Steve Bannon ultra-nationalist, whereas if you cheer this attack you're in league with NY liberals.

    Because those were the only two options the talking head proposed.
  • FishTXFishTX Super Moderator Posts: 7,613 Senior Member
    In essence, if you're against this attack you're a Steve Bannon ultra-nationalist, whereas if you cheer this attack you're in league with NY liberals.

    Because those were the only two options the talking head proposed.

    Making sense is less important than pulling in the listeners. Can I interest you in Lifelock?
    "We have to find someone who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."

    Crooow:This music would work better with women in bikinis shaking all over the place. I guess that's true of any music really.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    Spicer is such a piece of work. Now he has said that Assad dropping barrel bombs would be crossing the infamous Red Line. Assad has dropped 13,000 such bombs to date, including some with chlorine inside. And the WH also says that there has been NO change of policy. Well, if there is no policy, I guess there can't be a change in policy!

    Spicer must have that office sign over his desk "my policy is so secret even I don't know what it is".
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    Now comes the really crazy...Putin says the U.S. is planning fake chemical attacks to justify further bombing.

    Btw...Ed OK? Can't believe he's missed this entire thread.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    According to the White House Assad is worse than ****. That seems like a high bar to clear.

    Twitter is aghast, calling Spicer a "Holocaust denier" and all manner of overwrought nonsense. He's not that. He's just the wrong person for the job he's in.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    I just saw this. Jews have snowflakes too.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    Here's the correct way to phrase what Spicer was trying to say.

    https://twitter.com/DonteStallworth/status/851885721250082816
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    Media could not be played.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    Its Mattis basically saying that using chemical weapons is a war crime, the weapons have been banned since WWI, and even the Wehrmacht didn't use them against their enemies on the battlefield. It sounds a lot better when you don't have to clarify and amend what you said 10 times.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    Interesting question is why **** didn't. Probably because he was gassed in WWI.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    I was going to write this. I was under the impression that **** didn't allow the use of gas on the battlefield because he got hit with mustard gas in WWI.

    So here's a guy who has to speak publicly everyday about myriad topics. He says one semi-stupid thing, even though everybody actually knows what he meant, and he gets torn to pieces because of it.

    This entire nation needs its balls to drop.
  • ricinusricinus Senior Member Posts: 6,214 Senior Member
    ONE semi-stupid thing... Don't shake your head at me!

    Mike
    My new goal in life is to become an Alter Kaker...
  • ricinusricinus Senior Member Posts: 6,214 Senior Member
    Also, isn't it a golden rule of politics never to compare anyone to ****?

    Mike
    My new goal in life is to become an Alter Kaker...
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    Except Trump. Then it's OK.

    It should really be plastered over the door.
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,639 Senior Member
    ricinus wrote: »
    Also, isn't it a golden rule of politics never to compare anyone to ****?

    There's a real world problem as opposed to merely a PR problem too. If you compare Assad to ****, you have to explain why you're leaving him in power. Its like if Rommel and Von Stauffenberg would be worse alternatives than the ****.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    WSJ reporting that a U.N. investigatory team has documented at least 8 uses of chemical weapons by the Assad regime, this year alone. Russia has blocked any U.N. action.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,918 Senior Member
    And in another rebuke to Russia, Trump signed the agreement to allow Montenegro into NATO.
  • ricinusricinus Senior Member Posts: 6,214 Senior Member
    I imagine this will just inflame the situation..

    Mike
    My new goal in life is to become an Alter Kaker...

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