It's In the Bible!!!!!!!!

Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior MemberPosts: 5,443 Senior Member

So, Sessions defended the horrible policy of the administration to separate children from their families at the border by citing the bible. Later, Ms. Sanders doubled down on that statement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sessions-cites-bible-to-defend-separating-immigrant-families/ar-AAyF52Q

A point of interest: If it is the DoJ's moral imperative to follow the law, then why did they last week state that they no longer will defend the ACA in court. The ACA is law in this country.

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  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    So he's saying God ordained this Admin???

    "I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order," he said. "Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves and protect the weak and lawful."

    Wow....Interesting to find out how he'd answer to that one at the Pearly Gates

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=GL0w0Vn4q1Q

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member

    @Shawn C. said:

    A point of interest: If it is the DoJ's moral imperative to follow the law, then why did they last week state that they no longer will defend the ACA in court. The ACA is law in this country.

    So was DOMA

  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,443 Senior Member
    edited June 15 #4

    I heard that argument yesterday, Sherb. It is a good one for sure. But what do you do when a society, or administration, finds a law such as DOMA is no longer consistent with the values of society? It was seen, when signed into law by Clinton, as reasonable by most to discriminate against same-sex couples. When the Obama Admin. decided to no longer defend it attitudes had changed markedly.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member

    By the way this is a horrible misreading of the Apostle Paul by Jefferson Beauregard.

    More later.

  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    Hey Shawn---Looks like Colbert got your Message

    Also this somewhat reminds me of the Native residential school fiasco of the past we're now trying to fix up here where kids were taken from their parents

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=j4KaLkYxMZ8

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,667 Senior Member

    Elian stopped by to say hello again.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,065 Senior Member

    @Shawn C. said:
    I heard that argument yesterday, Sherb. It is a good one for sure. But what do you do when a society, or administration, finds a law such as DOMA is no longer consistent with the values of society?

    Here's a completely crazy suggestion...repeal the old law, and write and pass a new one.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member
    edited June 15 #9

    @Steven said:

    @Shawn C. said:
    I heard that argument yesterday, Sherb. It is a good one for sure. But what do you do when a society, or administration, finds a law such as DOMA is no longer consistent with the values of society?

    Here's a completely crazy suggestion...repeal the old law, and write and pass a new one.

    Why do that when you can delegate all the rulemaking authority to a federal agency and then b*tch and moan about it? Its so much easier than just changing the law. Repeal the law? How quaint.

  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 9,573 Senior Member

    @Steven said:

    @Shawn C. said:
    I heard that argument yesterday, Sherb. It is a good one for sure. But what do you do when a society, or administration, finds a law such as DOMA is no longer consistent with the values of society?

    Here's a completely crazy suggestion...repeal the old law, and write and pass a new one.

    We use the Supreme Court to make laws now.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,065 Senior Member

    This Supreme Court will kill Chevron.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member

    @Steven said:
    This Supreme Court will kill Chevron.

    Part of me hopes that they do. That will force Congress to, you know. . .legislate.

    These federal agencies have entirely too much discretionary authority.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member

    But I don't agree, since Chevron makes sense from a judicial economy standpoint. Its actually the best rule the court could come up with. Its not their fault Congress won't act.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member
  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member

    @sherb said:
    By the way this is a horrible misreading of the Apostle Paul by Jefferson Beauregard.

    Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’…

    Straight from the Mouth of God. Plenty of stuff in the MOT book that basically says the same thing too.

    Now, the affairs of state are not those of the soul, and sometimes the state does need to act in ways that are contrary to scripture. That's just a given. But Sessions probably shouldn't invoke an out of context passage (that was also used to justify slavery) unless he wants all of the religious conservatives to ram the actual words of Jesus up his tuchus.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,065 Senior Member

    @sherb said:
    But I don't agree, since Chevron makes sense from a judicial economy standpoint. Its actually the best rule the court could come up with. Its not their fault Congress won't act.

    I'm probably guilty of too much hyperbole here. I think what we'll see is the courts moving from a standard of "reasonableness" to one of "best reading."

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,065 Senior Member

    @sherb said:

    Straight from the Mouth of God. Plenty of stuff in the MOT book that basically says the same thing too.

    Huh?

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member

    Old testament. Take care of the infirm, and strangers, and whatnot.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,065 Senior Member

    Ah. I thought we were referencing render unto Caesar kind of stuff.

    Needless to say, my understanding of all that is minimal.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member

    The render unto Caesar passage is one of my favorites. Its basically Jesus the lawyer giving the lawyerly answer.

  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,419 Senior Member

    @MikeA said:
    Elian stopped by to say hello again.

    This is a picture of a child being reunited with his father.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,419 Senior Member

    You know while you guys think you are all being smart and pithy a mother is having her 4 year old ripped from her arms. Why that would be tolerable to anyone is beyond me.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,419 Senior Member

    @sherb said:

    @sherb said:
    By the way this is a horrible misreading of the Apostle Paul by Jefferson Beauregard.

    Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’…

    Straight from the Mouth of God. Plenty of stuff in the MOT book that basically says the same thing too.

    Now, the affairs of state are not those of the soul, and sometimes the state does need to act in ways that are contrary to scripture. That's just a given. But Sessions probably shouldn't invoke an out of context passage (that was also used to justify slavery) unless he wants all of the religious conservatives to ram the actual words of Jesus up his tuchus.

    Big thumbs up. Problem is religious conservatives would never do that, in fact many act as though that passage does not even exist.

    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • SqueezlesnitsSqueezlesnits Posts: 21 Junior Member

    @Shawn C. said:

    A point of interest: If it is the DoJ's moral imperative to follow the law, then why did they last week state that they no longer will defend the ACA in court. The ACA is law in this country.

    Hmmmm......I'm not defending anything anybody does...but I can see how maybe....like...following the law and defending the law in court are definitely mutually exclusive....sooooo.....I can also see how due to budgetary constraints, resource constraints such as not having enough people or manhours in a day, etc....that you have to pick your battles...I mean..I understand they get 30 billion in budget, but when you look at everything they are assigned to do and all the agencies that are underneath them....its perfectly rational to think they can't get to everything that goes on....top of their list of duties is protecting the US against foreign and domestic threats including terrorism, they've got the FBI, US Marshalls, ATF, DEA, federal prison system, US attorneys, AG....there's a lot going on.....and maybe the ACA has been defended enough....I can't think of too many other threats against it...its been litigated a lot....

    You know...probably the biggest problem the government has is not having enough to do everything it needs to do. I'm not exactly alone in thinking not being able to sufficiently do everything it needed to do is one of biggest if not the biggest reason why communism collapsed on the former Soviet Union....all control and decision making was so tightly held and centralized by such a small number of people at the very top of the party that they were making the wrong decisions more often than not and not making any decisions at all on things more than that....just too much for too few to do...or do sufficiently...being informed and knowledgeable about all things...and so many things....its no wonder their economy just tanked....and so much went to crap...or never got taken care of...and the people were so demoralized and against the system and...

    Not saying that sometimes humans don't pick their battles for personal reasons....but I'm certain that even if they were truly objective and picked their battles based on priority and significance they're be a lot they just don't have the time and resources to get to.....you know for instance...the FBI has a long list of duties and responsibilities...and only 35,000 people, and only a very small percentage of that are actual agents, the rest are support jobs like intelligence analysts, language specialists, scientists, Information Technology employees, etc.

  • sherbsherb Senior Member Posts: 1,914 Senior Member
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 2,065 Senior Member

    Donald Trump: Savior of American Democracy.

    Who would have guessed?

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,667 Senior Member
    edited June 19 #28

    @Steven said:
    Donald Trump: Savior of American Democracy.

    Who would have guessed?

    I've been trying to tell y'all. :)
    The left will thank Trump for sorting all this out once congress takes care of it. And by thanking him I mean finding something else he had nothing to do with to blame on him to enrage their base.

  • WetdogWetdog Senior Member Posts: 5,112 Senior Member

    my god, this has nothing to do with Congress, passing laws or anything else, it's about a regulation that can be changed with a phone call. All dump wants is for congress to fund a border wall. Not even reps will vote for that, They say by September there will be 11,000 separated minors. He destroys lives of innocent children (look up the the devastating affects on the young mind), If he and 50% of the reps who support this are child abusers, Think that they will do the same to Americans. This is not the America that I was born into. I know, I know brown skinned people are not human. That is a fact about amerika, if it wasn't it wouldn't be happening.

    Now we have one more reason to kneel when they play the national anthem.

    I find the assault on free thought disturbing,
    I find the willingness to give it up frightening.
  • BushartBushart Senior Member Posts: 1,793 Senior Member

    So many times over the past few days, I've watched prominent Americans state that they no longer recognize their country

    Tribal politics at it's finest

    Hey we won---All must be good

  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,667 Senior Member

    I heard the same thing from folks in CA, AZ, NM, TX a year ago.

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