So happy I no longer live near that loney bin

jbillyjbilly Senior MemberPosts: 4,587 Senior Member
“Labor unions are super-PACs. Labor unions are super-PACs Democrats like so we don’t go after labor unions .”
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 2,809 Senior Member
    Couldn't make an example out of the illegal immigrant that would be just wrong.
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  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,379 Senior Member
    I’m surprised to read of the acquittal. She must have had Skittles in her pocket.

    This is a shocking verdict but I have to wonder if Donny Boy’s comments and social media presence did not contribute to it.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,547 Senior Member
    Don't erect a bronze statue of this criminal just yet.
    This verdict will largely bolster support for Trump's agenda regarding the wall and defunding of sanctuary cities. The public appears to be pissed about this one. Watch.
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  • BuffcoBuffco Senior Member Posts: 9,571 Senior Member
    10 feet higher!!!!!
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 8,483 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    Don't erect a bronze statue of this criminal just yet.
    This verdict will largely bolster support for Trump's agenda regarding the wall and defunding of sanctuary cities. The public appears to be pissed about this one. Watch.

    You're right, witness two of the posts above yours.. Although the facts seem to support the verdict, facts don't matter to many folks. These paragraphs sum up why the verdict might be correct.

    ..Michael Cardoza, a longtime San Francisco Bay Area lawyer said the prosecutor made a mistake by asking the jury to convict Garcia Zarate of first-degree murder despite strong evidence that the bullet ricocheted around 90 feet (27 meters) before fatally striking Steinle on July 1, 2015. Cardoza said a better case could have been made to convince jurors Garcia Zarate had a “reckless disregard for human life” and convicted him of second-degree murder.

    “The prosecutor got greedy,” Cardoza said. “She lost credibility when she told jurors he pointed the gun at Kate Steinle.”

    Garcia declined comment afterward. Alex Bastian, a spokesman for the San Francisco district attorney’s office, said the verdict “was not the one we were hoping for” but said prosecutors respect the jury’s decision.

    Prosecutors initially charged Garcia Zarate with second-degree murder, which meant they had to show jurors he had a “willful disregard for human life” when he picked up the gun. But at the end of the trial, the judge agreed to the prosecutor’s request that jurors could also consider convicting him of first-degree murder if they believed Garcia Zarate meant to kill Steinle.

    Garcia Zarate’s attorneys argued that the ricochet of the fatal bullet supported an accidental shooting theory. Defense attorney Matt Gonzalez said told jurors he knows it’s difficult to believe Garcia Zarate found an object that turned out to be a weapon, which fired when he picked it up...


    https://apnews.com/02d16749a92b4b7297f6b1f359846391/Trial-focused-on-shooting-despite-spotlight-on-immigration
    Keep your stinkin' government hands off my Medicare.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,579 Senior Member
    George K wrote: »
    You're right, witness two of the posts above yours.. Although the facts seem to support the verdict, facts don't matter to many folks. These paragraphs sum up why the verdict might be correct.

    ..Michael Cardoza, a longtime San Francisco Bay Area lawyer said the prosecutor made a mistake by asking the jury to convict Garcia Zarate of first-degree murder despite strong evidence that the bullet ricocheted around 90 feet (27 meters) before fatally striking Steinle on July 1, 2015. Cardoza said a better case could have been made to convince jurors Garcia Zarate had a “reckless disregard for human life” and convicted him of second-degree murder.

    “The prosecutor got greedy,” Cardoza said. “She lost credibility when she told jurors he pointed the gun at Kate Steinle.”

    Garcia declined comment afterward. Alex Bastian, a spokesman for the San Francisco district attorney’s office, said the verdict “was not the one we were hoping for” but said prosecutors respect the jury’s decision.

    Prosecutors initially charged Garcia Zarate with second-degree murder, which meant they had to show jurors he had a “willful disregard for human life” when he picked up the gun. But at the end of the trial, the judge agreed to the prosecutor’s request that jurors could also consider convicting him of first-degree murder if they believed Garcia Zarate meant to kill Steinle.

    Garcia Zarate’s attorneys argued that the ricochet of the fatal bullet supported an accidental shooting theory. Defense attorney Matt Gonzalez said told jurors he knows it’s difficult to believe Garcia Zarate found an object that turned out to be a weapon, which fired when he picked it up...


    https://apnews.com/02d16749a92b4b7297f6b1f359846391/Trial-focused-on-shooting-despite-spotlight-on-immigration

    It's a shame the facts didn't carry much weight in all his previous arrests. Had the facts and the law been used as they are intended to be she would still be among the living.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,579 Senior Member
    I go 10mph over the speed limit and I get a $300 ticket that I can pay, or lose my license, then my job, then everything I own. This POS comes here, commits felonies, gets deported, comes back, repeat, repeat x5, steals a gun, kills a young woman, and he gets a pass. UnF--inbelievable.
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,547 Senior Member
    Time Magazine is now split as to whether this illegal alien or Kaepernick should grace their Person of The Year cover.
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  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,100 Senior Member
    Now he'll get a path to citizenship and run for mayor of San Fran.

    Apparently the jury felt that his multiple criminal acts and illegal entry into the U.S. had no bearing on the death of Katie Steinle. But hey...that's San Francisco for you
  • tim_stim_s Senior Member Posts: 1,851 Senior Member
    actually isn't it the mayor of sacramento that tends to be criminal?
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  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 4,587 Senior Member
    George K wrote: »
    YAlthough the facts seem to support the verdict, facts don't matter to many folks. These paragraphs sum up why the verdict might be correct.

    Actually no. He was acquitted of manslaughter.

    Maybe Sherb can chime in on the legal definition. But if this isn't manslaughter I don't know what is.
    “Labor unions are super-PACs. Labor unions are super-PACs Democrats like so we don’t go after labor unions .”
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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    From what I read they were going for premeditated murder.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    Now he'll get a path to citizenship and run for mayor of San Fran.

    Apparently the jury felt that his multiple criminal acts and illegal entry into the U.S. had no bearing on the death of Katie Steinle. But hey...that's San Francisco for you

    Since his prior convictions were for illegal entry and selling marijuana, how would that have bearing on the death of Katie Steinle?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,547 Senior Member
    California has the "three strike rule"... correct? I think there are people serving life sentences for selling weed.
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  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,100 Senior Member
    Since his prior convictions were for illegal entry and selling marijuana, how would that have bearing on the death of Katie Steinle?
    You definitely are a Californian

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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    Because I look for objective facts?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    swizz wrote: »
    California has the "three strike rule"... correct? I think there are people serving life sentences for selling weed.

    Not for Federal convictions.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,100 Senior Member
    Because I look for objective facts?
    You can take the boy out of California but you can't take California out of the boy.

    Fercripesakes...he had been deported 5 times already. He was here illegally.

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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    But how does that have bearing on whether or not the shooting was premeditated?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,966 Senior Member
    You can take the boy out of California but you can't take California out of the boy.

    Hey now....

    Los Angelenos shouldn't be defending San Franciscans.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    BTW I come from the part of the state that elected Darrell Issa. For that I am deeply ashamed.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,100 Senior Member
    But how does that have bearing on whether or not the shooting was premeditated?

    If you are here illegally and in possession of a firearm and that firearm discharges...even if allegedly accidental, and the result of that discharge is that someone dies you are, at a minimum, guilty of negligent homicide.
  • jbillyjbilly Senior Member Posts: 4,587 Senior Member
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Jury-reaches-verdict-in-killing-of-Kate-Steinle-12396509.php
    Garcia Zarate was charged from the beginning with murder, and prosecutors gave the jury the option of convicting him of first-degree murder, second-degree murder or involuntary manslaughter. Jurors rejected all three.

    Jury nullification at is finest.
    “Labor unions are super-PACs. Labor unions are super-PACs Democrats like so we don’t go after labor unions .”
    -Howard Screamin Dean
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    Then the prosecutor should have sought that charge. Clearly his prior felonies were part of the case or he would not have been charged with being a felon in possession of a weapon.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,579 Senior Member
    I don't expect to hear any more lefties demanding parents be tried for murder when their child finds a loaded gun and accidently kills someone.
  • NZ IndicatorNZ Indicator Senior Member Posts: 9,100 Senior Member
    Apparently life is pretty fair for illegal immigrants who murder citizens...
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,344 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    I don't expect to hear any more lefties demanding parents be tried for murder when their child finds a loaded gun and accidently kills someone.

    I don't recall anyone doing that. However if your kid takes your gun to school and murders another kid, do you think that you are not culpable?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • George KGeorge K Super Moderator Posts: 8,483 Senior Member
    Seems like some folks here would be happy living with a Russian or third world criminal justice system. They would change their minds the first time they ran afoul of it.

    From the facts as I know them he should have been convicted of second degree murder, but our system, for all its faults, offers some protection against prosecutors' overreach. Also against prosecutor's mistakes and bad decisions as in OJ's case, in which a man almost certainly guilty of first or second murder went free because of inept prosecution and a talented defense.
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  • swizzswizz Senior Member Posts: 2,547 Senior Member
    Build that wall! ... and name it "Kate's Wall".
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  • CO NativeCO Native Senior Member Posts: 897 Senior Member
    jbilly wrote: »

    I saw that statement and I didn't think they could throw out an option for the lower charge like that.
    Maybe with any luck, he'll get picked up by the feds and then disappear when on his way back to south of the border.
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