How’s that Russian Collusion investigation going?

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  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member
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  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,329 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member

    Natasha left the part where Smith told the Journal he worked independently and was not part of the Trump campaign and that He also found five groups of hackers — two of them Russian groups — that claimed to have Clinton's missing emails, out of her version of the story. Course he and Seth are both dead now. Maybe when this is over we can also add Murder to her growing list of charges.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »

    Its not clear at all what strategic benefit the Russkis get by owning U.S. uranium ORE. It is my understanding that export of yellowcake, etc. out of the country is banned. I guessed at the time that the Russians predicted that refueling of worldwide nuclear power plants was going to raise the price of U in the future, and that buying U ore now was simply a good investment. USA was just a convenient place to buy reserves (politically stable and all, u know). The political buzz factor of buying U is rather blah to me knowing that the Russians have all the ore they need to make bombs. As far as Mueller goes, it depends on who you are talking about. Manafort and other Trump associates may be implicated. But yeah, Trump probably doesn't even remember being told about connections with the Russians, just like he has totally forgotten about Russian funds helping him avoid bankruptcy.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,345 Senior Member
    Well, Mike, I would have to say that it is going pretty slowly. I would have hoped that Mueller would have indictments already. But, the longer this takes, the worse it is for the Trump Administration. If there was nothing there then it would have been fairly easy and quick for Mueller to find nothing, ya know?
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    Well, Mike, I would have to say that it is going pretty slowly. I would have hoped that Mueller would have indictments already. But, the longer this takes, the worse it is for the Trump Administration. If there was nothing there then it would have been fairly easy and quick for Mueller to find nothing, ya know?

    Who knows. Maybe they are just covering it up like they did for Obama and Clinton. It's good to be King.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Its not clear at all what strategic benefit the Russkis get by owning U.S. uranium ORE. It is my understanding that export of yellowcake, etc. out of the country is banned. I guessed at the time that the Russians predicted that refueling of worldwide nuclear power plants was going to raise the price of U in the future, and that buying U ore now was simply a good investment. USA was just a convenient place to buy reserves (politically stable and all, u know). The political buzz factor of buying U is rather blah to me knowing that the Russians have all the ore they need to make bombs. As far as Mueller goes, it depends on who you are talking about. Manafort and other Trump associates may be implicated. But yeah, Trump probably doesn't even remember being told about connections with the Russians, just like he has totally forgotten about Russian funds helping him avoid bankruptcy.

    This is the part that's unclear to me. The Media blackout is unlclear as well. I am starting to believe that legacy media IS the DNC.

    "They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

    The racketeering scheme was conducted “with the consent of higher level officials” in Russia who “shared the proceeds” from the kickbacks, one agent declared in an affidavit years later.

    Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefiting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions"

    It's impossible that Obama didn't know about this yet he made the deal anyway. And NOW the DNC is all OMG!! OMG!! Be scared! Reds under the bed. ****?
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,964 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    If there was nothing there then it would have been fairly easy and quick for Mueller to find nothing, ya know?

    Oh....that made me laugh.

    Kenneth Starr started with Vince Foster's death and Whitewater and took years only to finish up with Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.

    Being an independent counsel may be the best gig in these United States.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Oh....that made me laugh.

    Kenneth Starr started with Vince Foster's death and Whitewater and took years only to finish up with Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.

    Being an independent counsel may be the best gig in these United States.

    Right up there with being a back up NFL quarterback!
  • GoldenladleGoldenladle Super Moderator Posts: 3,761 Senior Member
    Mike, if you do a little research you will find that your messiah has mislead you and the rest of his followers... again.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

    https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

    Moved to Montana, gonna be a dental floss tycoon.

  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,964 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Right up there with being a back up NFL quarterback!

    Sometimes they have to play - just ask that kid in Green Bay.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member
    Mike, if you do a little research you will find that your messiah has mislead you and the rest of his followers... again.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

    https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

    Wow. Someone should. pass that on to the fbi and the hill reporters. Snopes said it's false. Case closed. FTR I posted this before Trumps tweets. I get my news from mutple sources none of which are related to Trumps social media.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Wow. Someone should. pass that on to the fbi and the hill reporters. Snopes said it's false. Case closed. FTR I posted this before Trumps tweets. I get my news from mutple sources none of which are related to quality journalism..

    Snopes is pretty reliable, and does a better job of documenting their facts than most outlets. To ignore their findings shows your blatant willful bias.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,329 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Oh....that made me laugh.

    Kenneth Starr started with Vince Foster's death and Whitewater and took years only to finish up with Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.

    Being an independent counsel may be the best gig in these United States.

    Did you do a lot of protesting regarding Kenneth Star's overreach did you?
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,329 Senior Member
    MikeA wrote: »
    Wow. Someone should. pass that on to the fbi and the hill reporters. Snopes said it's false. Case closed. FTR I posted this before Trumps tweets. I get my news from mutple sources none of which are related to Trumps social media.

    And none of which are unbiased or reliable.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,345 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Oh....that made me laugh.

    Kenneth Starr started with Vince Foster's death and Whitewater and took years only to finish up with Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.

    Being an independent counsel may be the best gig in these United States.

    Yeah, Bob Mueller really needs this job to pay his mortgage. You telling me he’s draggin’ his feet to milk the government for what, $200K/year? Poor old Bob don’t need the money, man.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,964 Senior Member
    Did you do a lot of protesting regarding Kenneth Star's overreach did you?

    See me protesting Mueller?

    I didn't think so.
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,964 Senior Member
    Shawn C. wrote: »
    Yeah, Bob Mueller really needs this job to pay his mortgage. You telling me he’s draggin’ his feet to milk the government for what, $200K/year? Poor old Bob don’t need the money, man.

    Starr was a partner at Gibson Dunn
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,329 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    See me protesting Mueller?

    I didn't think so.

    That sounded like you were.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,964 Senior Member
    Just pointing out that one can't simply say there must be something there just because the investigation is still ongoing.
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member
    creekguy wrote: »
    Snopes is pretty reliable, and does a better job of documenting their facts than most outlets. To ignore their findings shows your blatant willful bias.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

    They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.


    Even your beloved NYT covered in depth and drew the same conclusion...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    That snopes article has been online since shortly after the controversial deal was made with Russia. The article I linked is based on new information uncovered recently and was posted earlier this week (Did you even read it?), Furthermore, it's not just about the fraudulent Clinton donations. It about how federal agents had proof of bribery, kickbacks, and money laundering from upper level Russian officials involved in the Uranium deal. But for some reason all of that was held back from congress and the public until after the two deals were made with Putin. That doesn't seem odd to anyone?

    “The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Obama administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.


    I'll just say this. If Trump were somehow involved in any way, shape, form, or fashion, in this newest report. The internet wouldn't be able to handle all the news outlets constant blathering on about it. There would be calls for immediate impeachment! You know this is true.
    You guys refuse to even remotely consider that your party could have been involved in some corrupt ****.Even worse, the very thing you're charging Trump with. Hell if the Russians were trying to influence the election they would have done it for Hillary. She was already playing with them.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,329 Senior Member
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,329 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Just pointing out that one can't simply say there must be something there just because the investigation is still ongoing.

    I would put Mueller's integrity over Ken Starr's.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • StevenSteven Senior Member Posts: 1,964 Senior Member
    Huh. I haven't met either.
  • creekguycreekguy Senior Member Posts: 3,905 Senior Member
    AUSTIN, Tex. — Kenneth W. Starr, the former Baylor University president, resigned his post as a law school professor Friday, severing his last tie with Baylor, a faith-based campus still reeling from a sexual assault scandal involving its football team.

    Mr. Starr, 70, an ex-prosecutor best known nationally for zealously pursuing charges against President Bill Clinton over his affair with Monica Lewinsky, had in more recent years been a high-profile face of Baylor. But he lost his job as president in May and later stepped down as chancellor amid allegations that the university had mishandled several cases in which football players were accused of attacking women.

    That is, he covered up crimes to protect the football team. How symmetric.
  • fishingcomicfishingcomic Senior Member Posts: 21,329 Senior Member
    Steven wrote: »
    Huh. I haven't met either.

    But we do know both their records. Starr was a partisan hack from the get go. He destroyed countless lives with threats and baseless allegations for 7 years, spent 40 million dollars and came up with nothing.
    'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'" Ronald Reagan
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member
    Still think it's going well??? LOL.
  • Green Mt BoyGreen Mt Boy Senior Member Posts: 621 Senior Member
    Going fine. If Hillary and/or Bill and/or other did wrong they'll suffer for it. If Mueller uncovers something wrong about Trump and Russia he, Trump, will pay for it. Can't ask for anything more.

    Ask yourself--why did the Russians try to influence the election in favor of Trump? I admit that in the end the influence, which is well established, did not change the outcome. But even if there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, why would the Russians, who under Putin have consistently acted against our interests, be trying to help Trump?
  • MikeAMikeA Senior Member Posts: 2,555 Senior Member
    Going fine. If Hillary and/or Bill and/or other did wrong they'll suffer for it. If Mueller uncovers something wrong about Trump and Russia he, Trump, will pay for it. Can't ask for anything more.

    Ask yourself--why did the Russians try to influence the election in favor of Trump? I admit that in the end the influence, which is well established, did not change the outcome. But even if there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, why would the Russians, who under Putin have consistently acted against our interests, be trying to help Trump?

    Why would they turn against the Clinton's (the devil they know) might be an even better discussion. I honestly don't know.
  • Shawn C.Shawn C. Senior Member Posts: 5,345 Senior Member
    It is so goddamned beyond me how anyone can continue to support or defend him. I truly don't understand it.
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